What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?

[Fenster]

The only way Wlad could make a top 10 P4P list is if he morphed into Ali overnight.

Although P4P is nothing but fun, too many people compile their lists based solely on achievements made per division instead of putting emphasis on the SKILL of each fighter.

Here's Bernard Hopkins take on P4P - "You've got to understand that Ray Robinson was given the P4P title not because of his record, which included losses, but because of things he could do, he could adjust in the blink of an eye. He could box going back, he could box going forward, he could knock you out with a left hook, sideways, backwards, frontwards. To me, that's what it takes to be the best pound-for-pound fighter."

If you can't find 50 fighters better than Wlad.. surely something is wrong

[HattonTheHammer]

Not getting beat knocked out by corrie sanders and lamont brewster would help.

To be fair Wlads record is as impressive as they come.........until you read through the fighters he has actually gone through and realise their isnt really that much to ride home about.

Wlads legacy will be defined over the next 3-4 years. But i just cant consider a guy thats fought and beat relative bums for 4-5 years and has a suspect chin over better fighters at lower weights!!

[BIG H]

Not getting beat knocked out by corrie sanders and lamont brewster would help.

To be fair Wlads record is as impressive as they come.........until you read through the fighters he has actually gone through and realise their isnt really that much to ride home about.

Wlads legacy will be defined over the next 3-4 years. But i just cant consider a guy thats fought and beat relative bums for 4-5 years and has a suspect chin over better fighters at lower weights!!

Beat me to it!! I was gonna say the only way he gets into my p4p top 10, is if he can erase my memory of him sprawling all over the floor against two club fighters


Bottom line, there is nobody out there that he could beat that would improve his resume, becuase the division is pony! If he beat Hatton maybe

[Memphis]

As already mentioned there are and always will be at least 10 fighters who are better than him, disregarding weight.

He cant be considered P4P.

[leftylee]

KO Haye.

[killersheep]

To get him pointed in the right direction he has to look good against Thompson, then beat the winner of Chagaev/Valuev, then beat Haye if he does that within the next year and others on the p4p list lose and/or retire, there could be an argument made for it at number 10.

[Wayne]

What is with this beat Haye business? Is Haye a proven entity at HW? For Wlad to be on a P4P list he needs to keep doing what he's doing. Tony Thompson, an actual threat, is a good start. If Wlad beats all the title holders and then chops down all the top contenders he can make a case for himself.

[:::PSL:::]

KO Haye.

[p4pking]

The only way Wlad could make a top 10 P4P list is if he morphed into Ali overnight.

Although P4P is nothing but fun, too many people compile their lists based solely on achievements made per division instead of putting emphasis on the SKILL of each fighter.

Here's Bernard Hopkins take on P4P - "You've got to understand that Ray Robinson was given the P4P title not because of his record, which included losses, but because of things he could do, he could adjust in the blink of an eye. He could box going back, he could box going forward, he could knock you out with a left hook, sideways, backwards, frontwards. To me, that's what it takes to be the best pound-for-pound fighter."

If you can't find 50 fighters better than Wlad.. surely something is wrong

Dead on. He can't be a top p4p guy because he isn't even close to one of the best fighters in the world, it has nothing to do with him being a HW or what he hasn't accomplished yet. Good point about people basing their lists on achievements PER division as well, I think people sort of subconciously feel they need to have a wide range of weight classes in their list. Calzaghe and Hopkins are the heaviest fighters I'd have top 10, and the only ones above WW currently.

[No Contest]

If he beats Thompson convincingly, he deserves some credit. Adding another title wouldn't hurt.

[OumaFan]

It would probably be easier if he was a smaller heavyweight that was considered the top guy in the division instead of a guy who has a (sometimes huge) size advantage over guys in his own division.

[Fenster]

The only way Wlad could make a top 10 P4P list is if he morphed into Ali overnight.

Although P4P is nothing but fun, too many people compile their lists based solely on achievements made per division instead of putting emphasis on the SKILL of each fighter.

Here's Bernard Hopkins take on P4P - "You've got to understand that Ray Robinson was given the P4P title not because of his record, which included losses, but because of things he could do, he could adjust in the blink of an eye. He could box going back, he could box going forward, he could knock you out with a left hook, sideways, backwards, frontwards. To me, that's what it takes to be the best pound-for-pound fighter."

If you can't find 50 fighters better than Wlad.. surely something is wrong

Dead on. He can't be a top p4p guy because he isn't even close to one of the best fighters in the world, it has nothing to do with him being a HW or what he hasn't accomplished yet. Good point about people basing their lists on achievements PER division as well, I think people sort of subconciously feel they need to have a wide range of weight classes in their list. Calzaghe and Hopkins are the heaviest fighters I'd have top 10, and the only ones above WW currently.

yeah, maybe.

I don't necessarily think the big guys shouldn't be on the list.

But Wlad is an average heavyweight compared with the great/good heavies of the past. Just because he's recognised as top man in his division doesn't make him a great fighter. And there's easily 10 great/good fighters to currently place in front of him when you encompass all weight classes.

[Fenster]

Some of you guys judge P4P a little too harshly. Of course Wlad can make the list. Just like you could say Wlad wouldn't be as good with the same skill set at a lower weight class, the same could be said if you were to put Pacquiao at HW. Pac can't necessarily take those bigger punches and wouldn't necessarily be able to carry the extra 70+ lbs successfully. That comparison is just about as fair as throwing Wlad in the ring with Pac (and take a wild guess who would win). The criteria changes depending on the class. We don't look for HWs to be the fastest guys in boxing just like we don't look for bantamweights to be the biggest punchers. What Wlad is doing right now should earn him a spot on any current P4P list. Not necessarily all-time because there are so many great heavyweights who would probably beat him, but judged against active fighters Wlad is either on or around the corner from the list. Just stop it already.

Obviously.. in a real fight Wlad would KILL Pac.

But the idea of P4P is - fantasy.

Pac is a tremendous puncher for his weight-class. So.. In a mythical match-up Pacs power would be the equal of Wlads (maybe even more powerful).

Pac would destroy that china-chin inside 1 round.

Now, if you were discussing a mythical match between Pac and a prime Tyson - it would be a whole different story

[Wayne]

But that's still assuming Pac could take a HW punch and could lug around that extra weight. If you make adjustments for that, then perhaps comparable adjustments could be made for Klitschko to be a force at 130. At 110 pounds lighter he could be a great deal faster. Judge him for who he is where he is not for what other fighters are in their classes.

[Fenster]

But that's still assuming Pac could take a HW punch and could lug around that extra weight. If you make adjustments for that, then perhaps comparable adjustments could be made for Klitschko to be a force at 130. At 110 pounds lighter he could be a great deal faster. Judge him for who he is where he is not for what other fighters are in their classes.

OK.. so take the best and worst attributes of both fighters. Morph them into a weight-class where their size and weight is leveled (halfway) - then pick the winner?

I make Pac an EASY winner.