Do they deserve to be in the Hall or not?

[OumaFan]

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ESPN - Stuck on the Hall of Fame fence - Boxing


I'm sure somebody's gonna mention Barry McGuigan

With Casamayor you could make the case that he could be undefeated (of course you could say he lost to Santa Cruz too)

The Hatton one I'm sure will be a friendly debate.

Meh, I can't bring myself to say something positive about Tarver. I guess that's not very objective.

I was surprised he mentioned Penalosa but he's had a very underrated career, a very good fighter.

[OumaFan]

There are other ones obviously. There's always been the debate about Gatti, strictly as a fighter I would say no. I wouldn't be surprised if he got in though.

[SE7EN]

Gatti should be a future HOFer. Win or lose he was really entertaining to watch. He gave big contributions to the boxing world too.

As for Penalosa. For those people who really know him, and followed his career for over decade should know that ALL of his losses were controvesies. He should be also in hall of fame 7 to 8 years from now.

[Violent Demise]

Casamayor and Penalosa yes. The others fukk no.

[HattonTheHammer]

How the hell can someone even suggest tarver should be a HOFer??

He beat a 35 year old RJJ and a 36 year old glen johnson, had he of beaten them to at the turn of the decade sure this could be an interesting debate...but he didnt and it isnt.

I dont usually like to comment on potential world class boxers that have fought any lower than 126 as i dont pay attention those divisions..

Calderon looks to be a great little warrior from the few occasions ive seen of him, penalosa always reminded me of that guy who could of come to the party and made a hell of an impression but never quite managed it.

Hatton is 44-1 and his only defeat was by the single greatest p4p athlete of our generation.

If you suggest he shouldnt be a hall of famer you may as well suggest neither should manny pacquiao or marco antonio barrera!!

[p4pking]

How the hell can someone even suggest tarver should be a HOFer??

He beat a 35 year old RJJ and a 36 year old glen johnson, had he of beaten them to at the turn of the decade sure this could be an interesting debate...but he didnt and it isnt.

I dont usually like to comment on potential world class boxers that have fought any lower than 126 as i dont pay attention those divisions..

Calderon looks to be a great little warrior from the few occasions ive seen of him, penalosa always reminded me of that guy who could of come to the party and made a hell of an impression but never quite managed it.

Hatton is 44-1 and his only defeat was by the single greatest p4p athlete of our generation.

If you suggest he shouldnt be a hall of famer you may as well suggest neither should manny pacquiao or marco antonio barrera!!

Pacquiao and Barrera have far higher quality wins than Hatton though, it's not just about who they lost to.

[Bomp]

How the hell can someone even suggest tarver should be a HOFer??

He beat a 35 year old RJJ and a 36 year old glen johnson, had he of beaten them to at the turn of the decade sure this could be an interesting debate...but he didnt and it isnt.

I dont usually like to comment on potential world class boxers that have fought any lower than 126 as i dont pay attention those divisions..

Calderon looks to be a great little warrior from the few occasions ive seen of him, penalosa always reminded me of that guy who could of come to the party and made a hell of an impression but never quite managed it.

Hatton is 44-1 and his only defeat was by the single greatest p4p athlete of our generation.

If you suggest he shouldnt be a hall of famer you may as well suggest neither should manny pacquiao or marco antonio barrera!!

How could you NOT see the absolute similarity between Tarver and Hatton's breakthrough wins?

As for the hall, both guys are about the sam IMO at th moment though there's time for both guys to make a statement still in their careers.

HOF is very difficult to decide, as the guys Mick mentioned which I've read about elsewhere where the Asian fighters have been largely ignored, and then guys with so-so records getting in setting a precedent for something like 50% of world beltholders ever getting in.

I don't believe HOF is on relative achievement alone, otherwise Bazzo would never be there, but there is a spot IMO for guys like Bazzo and Gatti due to their rather unique contributions (Gatti's wars and Barry's popularity transcending the religious barrier in N.I.)

[Thread Stealer]

How the hell can someone even suggest tarver should be a HOFer??

He beat a 35 year old RJJ and a 36 year old glen johnson, had he of beaten them to at the turn of the decade sure this could be an interesting debate...but he didnt and it isnt.

I dont usually like to comment on potential world class boxers that have fought any lower than 126 as i dont pay attention those divisions..

Calderon looks to be a great little warrior from the few occasions ive seen of him, penalosa always reminded me of that guy who could of come to the party and made a hell of an impression but never quite managed it.

Hatton is 44-1 and his only defeat was by the single greatest p4p athlete of our generation.

If you suggest he shouldnt be a hall of famer you may as well suggest neither should manny pacquiao or marco antonio barrera!!

Tarver beat some other contenders at 175 besides the wins over Johnson and Jones (whom he also lost to). Tarver probably beat more top 10 contenders than Hatton did.

I probably wouldn't put Tarver in though.

I would rather see these guys get inducted into Canastota. They're all eligble as of now and are more deserving than the debates of recent/active fighters I often hear like Tarver, Gatti, etc..

Brian Mitchell
Esteban Dejesus
Marlon Starling
Donald Curry
Julian Jackson
Eddie Booker
Lloyd Marshall

Eddie Booker destroyed a prime/near-prime Archie Moore. He dropped him 5 times and Moore said it was the worst beating he took, and Booker was the best guy he faced along with Charley Burley. Booker beat two HOFers and a bunch of other contenders and quality fighters.

Lloyd Marshall beat like half a dozen Hall of Famers, including a beatdown of a bonafide ATG in Ezzard Charles whom he put down 8 times. He beat Burley. He beat Jake LaMotta.

Why aren't these guys in Canastota?

[Preme]

an article from espn


ESPN - Stuck on the Hall of Fame fence - Boxing


I'm sure somebody's gonna mention Barry McGuigan

With Casamayor you could make the case that he could be undefeated (of course you could say he lost to Santa Cruz too)

The Hatton one I'm sure will be a friendly debate.

Meh, I can't bring myself to say something positive about Tarver. I guess that's not very objective.

I was surprised he mentioned Penalosa but he's had a very underrated career, a very good fighter.

all the ones listed ny you, no fucking way IMO

[Wayne]

Gatti should not be in the HOF. Sure he was entertaining, but that was because 9 times out of 10 he was getting his face pounded in. The guy isn't 40 years old and has a face like Milton Burle.