Do they deserve to be in the Hall or not?

[p4pking]

When cretins like Jose Suliaman, Don King & Bob Arum are inducted then the credibilty of the HOF suffers . Who is next Bob Lee & Panama Lewis ??

Suliman I can probably agree with you on, though I don't know enough about his career... But Dong King and Bob Arum absolutely belong in the Hof based on it's standards. I would be all for it if they didn't induct people who weren't either fighters or trainers, who didn't personally compete. However since that's not the case, King and Arum have probably done more for the sport of boxing than any fighter by a long way. Of course they have screwed their share of people over, that comes with the territory... But Don King's first promotion was the rumble in the jungle, and since then has put together so many huge events and been probably the most recognizable face in the sport. Bob Arum even today is doing great things for the sport in many ways, he's putting his best talent in the fights people really want to see currently. I don't see how you can exclude guys like that based on their impact on the sport. Which is the same reason I'm pretty sure Gatti will get in, although so many technically superior fighters will not.

[Spicoli]

Seem's as though it has become so watered down over the years as far as guidelines and what exactley merits and defines a Hall of famer...Titles obtained/won & defended...Quality of Opposition faced and defeated as well as skill set...Over all contribution to the sport and effects on it's past,present & future I have Never looked into the official guidelines given by the H.O.F??

[CutMeMick]

If Barrys in then the rest can just walk right in and make themselves feel at home.

[Spicoli]

If Barrys in then the rest can just walk right in and make themselves feel at home.

...True,and they will.I wish I was so concise ...

[CutMeMick]

As for the article:

Casa - yes
Hatton - On the fence still
Gerry - On the fence still
Tarver - no
Ivan - On the fence still


I agree with Raskin on most thing here. Especially what he says about Gerry & Ivan.

Something to think about here about the Hall of Fame.
Here are some names of fighters who SHOULD be hall of fame but have not yet been inducted. Now IMO these fighters are head & shoulders above Gerry and they happen to be Asian.

I'll start of with some of Gerrys country men who are NOT in the Hall.
Ceferino Garcia & Luisito Espinoza.

Then you've got the rest of Asians who are still waiting in line themselves;
Jung Koo Chang, Chong Pal Park, Chartchai Chionoi, Ki Soo Kim, Myung Woo Yuh, Yoko Gushiken, Sot Chitalada, Hiroshi Kobayashi, Masao Ohba, Yoshio Shirai, Pone Kingpetch, Jiro Watanabe....

I can go on and on, my point here is that for Gerry to be in the Hall is possible but just look at that list I just put together of great Asian fighters who are NOT in yet.

I mean Masamori Tokuyama beat Gerry twice (I know one of the fights was close) but I would give Masamori more of a chance at Hall then Gerry now.

[SE7EN]

As for the article:

Casa - yes
Hatton - On the fence still
Gerry - On the fence still
Tarver - no
Ivan - On the fence still


I agree with Raskin on most thing here. Especially what he says about Gerry & Ivan.

Something to think about here about the Hall of Fame.
Here are some names of fighters who SHOULD be hall of fame but have not yet been inducted. Now IMO these fighters are head & shoulders above Gerry and they happen to be Asian.

I'll start of with some of Gerrys country men who are NOT in the Hall.
Ceferino Garcia & Luisito Espinoza.

Then you've got the rest of Asians who are still waiting in line themselves;
Jung Koo Chang, Chong Pal Park, Chartchai Chionoi, Ki Soo Kim, Myung Woo Yuh, Yoko Gushiken, Sot Chitalada, Hiroshi Kobayashi, Masao Ohba, Yoshio Shirai, Pone Kingpetch, Jiro Watanabe....

I can go on and on, my point here is that for Gerry to be in the Hall is possible but just look at that list I just put together of great Asian fighters who are NOT in yet.

I mean Masamori Tokuyama beat Gerry twice (I know one of the fights was close) but I would give Masamori more of a chance at Hall then Gerry now.

No Ponglashit?

[Violent Demise]

As for the article:

Casa - yes
Hatton - On the fence still
Gerry - On the fence still
Tarver - no
Ivan - On the fence still


I agree with Raskin on most thing here. Especially what he says about Gerry & Ivan.

Something to think about here about the Hall of Fame.
Here are some names of fighters who SHOULD be hall of fame but have not yet been inducted. Now IMO these fighters are head & shoulders above Gerry and they happen to be Asian.

I'll start of with some of Gerrys country men who are NOT in the Hall.
Ceferino Garcia & Luisito Espinoza.

Then you've got the rest of Asians who are still waiting in line themselves;
Jung Koo Chang, Chong Pal Park, Chartchai Chionoi, Ki Soo Kim, Myung Woo Yuh, Yoko Gushiken, Sot Chitalada, Hiroshi Kobayashi, Masao Ohba, Yoshio Shirai, Pone Kingpetch, Jiro Watanabe....

I can go on and on, my point here is that for Gerry to be in the Hall is possible but just look at that list I just put together of great Asian fighters who are NOT in yet.

I mean Masamori Tokuyama beat Gerry twice (I know one of the fights was close) but I would give Masamori more of a chance at Hall then Gerry now.

Tokuyama was a very good fighter. Very underrated. Espinoza was good to. But that chin was always his downfall. I remember Israel Contreras blitzed him in his own backyard. I don't think Espinoza is HOF material.

[CutMeMick]

No Ponglashit?

I can just about Neg. Rep. you right about now...

No, sorry no PongsaShit.

As for the article:

Casa - yes
Hatton - On the fence still
Gerry - On the fence still
Tarver - no
Ivan - On the fence still


I agree with Raskin on most thing here. Especially what he says about Gerry & Ivan.

Something to think about here about the Hall of Fame.
Here are some names of fighters who SHOULD be hall of fame but have not yet been inducted. Now IMO these fighters are head & shoulders above Gerry and they happen to be Asian.

I'll start of with some of Gerrys country men who are NOT in the Hall.
Ceferino Garcia & Luisito Espinoza.

Then you've got the rest of Asians who are still waiting in line themselves;
Jung Koo Chang, Chong Pal Park, Chartchai Chionoi, Ki Soo Kim, Myung Woo Yuh, Yoko Gushiken, Sot Chitalada, Hiroshi Kobayashi, Masao Ohba, Yoshio Shirai, Pone Kingpetch, Jiro Watanabe....

I can go on and on, my point here is that for Gerry to be in the Hall is possible but just look at that list I just put together of great Asian fighters who are NOT in yet.

I mean Masamori Tokuyama beat Gerry twice (I know one of the fights was close) but I would give Masamori more of a chance at Hall then Gerry now.

Tokuyama was a very good fighter. Very underrated. Espinoza was good to. But that chin was always his downfall. I remember Israel Contreras blitzed him in his own backyard. I don't think Espinoza is HOF material.

Israel wasted no time in that fight, he measured Luisito really nice and the jab set up the whole thing for Israel.
Well Luisito "might" not be HOF material but my point is that for me Gerrys got a lot of work to do if he want's to be HOF. Which is why I listed all these fighters....
But with that being said, you also gotta see his credentials, WBA Bantam champ 2 defenses, WBC Feather champ 7 defenses and facing opponents such as "Cobrita" Gonzalez, "Mantecas" Medina, Carlos Rios (who at that time was rated #8 in the world), & Kennedy McKinney.

While Gerrys credentials are: WBC Super Fly. champ 2 defenses, WBO Batam champ 1 defense. Opponents; Kawashima, Sor Vorapin, Jhonny.

[Spicoli]

As for the article:

Casa - yes
Hatton - On the fence still
Gerry - On the fence still
Tarver - no
Ivan - On the fence still


I agree with Raskin on most thing here. Especially what he says about Gerry & Ivan.

Something to think about here about the Hall of Fame.
Here are some names of fighters who SHOULD be hall of fame but have not yet been inducted. Now IMO these fighters are head & shoulders above Gerry and they happen to be Asian.

I'll start of with some of Gerrys country men who are NOT in the Hall.
Ceferino Garcia & Luisito Espinoza.

Then you've got the rest of Asians who are still waiting in line themselves;
Jung Koo Chang, Chong Pal Park, Chartchai Chionoi, Ki Soo Kim, Myung Woo Yuh, Yoko Gushiken, Sot Chitalada, Hiroshi Kobayashi, Masao Ohba, Yoshio Shirai, Pone Kingpetch, Jiro Watanabe....

I can go on and on, my point here is that for Gerry to be in the Hall is possible but just look at that list I just put together of great Asian fighters who are NOT in yet.

I mean Masamori Tokuyama beat Gerry twice (I know one of the fights was close) but I would give Masamori more of a chance at Hall then Gerry now.

Been meaning to say..great point Lol!without generalizing,Asian fighters up until recently have been under the radar.If Yuh & Chang with eye popping # of defenses 17 & 15 respectively,among others are not worthy of the HOF,maybe they should overhaul there requirements for induction,or just turn it into a Big box store like Sam's club .I do think the isolation in there homelands have attributed to being overlooked,Yuh only loss was when he went to Japan vs.Ioka which he would soon defeat in rematch.Changs competition was quality,Chitalada,(2nd fight was a toss up)Ohashi,Zapata,Torres Gonzalez...the man was literally ONE punch away from claiming 2nd division strap at Flyweight vs.Kittakasem and ran into an eyes closed swing for the fences type of bomb in the 12th round.Maybe some day they will get the call??

[p4pking]

So can anyone actually provide a logical arguement as to why Hatton should belong in the hall, but Tarver definetly doesn't? I just don't see that much seperating their careers aside from popularity.. Beaten about the same calibre of fighters, I don't see a big gap in ability, if anything Tarver has had more longevity to his career.. Just puzzles me.

[HattonTheHammer]

So can anyone actually provide a logical arguement as to why Hatton should belong in the hall, but Tarver definetly doesn't? I just don't see that much seperating their careers aside from popularity.. Beaten about the same calibre of fighters, I don't see a big gap in ability, if anything Tarver has had more longevity to his career.. Just puzzles me.

dominated his division for almost 5 years now
only been beaten once..which was by the very best
is a thrill a minute entertainer that attracts 50,000+ for fights
is a 2 weight world champion
Doesnt star in shit sequels


need i go on...

[CutMeMick]

As for the article:

Casa - yes
Hatton - On the fence still
Gerry - On the fence still
Tarver - no
Ivan - On the fence still


I agree with Raskin on most thing here. Especially what he says about Gerry & Ivan.

Something to think about here about the Hall of Fame.
Here are some names of fighters who SHOULD be hall of fame but have not yet been inducted. Now IMO these fighters are head & shoulders above Gerry and they happen to be Asian.

I'll start of with some of Gerrys country men who are NOT in the Hall.
Ceferino Garcia & Luisito Espinoza.

Then you've got the rest of Asians who are still waiting in line themselves;
Jung Koo Chang, Chong Pal Park, Chartchai Chionoi, Ki Soo Kim, Myung Woo Yuh, Yoko Gushiken, Sot Chitalada, Hiroshi Kobayashi, Masao Ohba, Yoshio Shirai, Pone Kingpetch, Jiro Watanabe....

I can go on and on, my point here is that for Gerry to be in the Hall is possible but just look at that list I just put together of great Asian fighters who are NOT in yet.

I mean Masamori Tokuyama beat Gerry twice (I know one of the fights was close) but I would give Masamori more of a chance at Hall then Gerry now.

Been meaning to say..great point Lol!without generalizing,Asian fighters up until recently have been under the radar.If Yuh & Chang with eye popping # of defenses 17 & 15 respectively,among others are not worthy of the HOF,maybe they should overhaul there requirements for induction,or just turn it into a Big box store like Sam's club .I do think the isolation in there homelands have attributed to being overlooked,Yuh only loss was when he went to Japan vs.Ioka which he would soon defeat in rematch.Changs competition was quality,Chitalada,(2nd fight was a toss up)Ohashi,Zapata,Torres Gonzalez...the man was literally ONE punch away from claiming 2nd division strap at Flyweight vs.Kittakasem and ran into an eyes closed swing for the fences type of bomb in the 12th round.Maybe some day they will get the call??

Thanks Spicoli,
I am not trying to discredit Penalosa in any way I just wanted to show how much work he's gonna need if he want's to be HoF.
I'm with you all the way if those fighters aren't HoF yet with their credentials then honestly I can't see Penalosa as HoF anytime soon after he retires. I mean how long have some of these fighters been retired/out of the game for?
Let's hope that the HoF picks it up and get's itself back together for the better.

[SaltyBacon]

to even have casayamor in this conversation is ridicoulous gurantee hof

hatton making it he's a fan favorite

calderon another win against cazares what can he do after

penosola with no fights ahead i think its too late to leave a mark ,but great fighter

tarver a hof then stacy dash is givin me some head

[CutMeMick]

calderon another win against cazares what can he do after

He can fight "Archie" Solis who along with Cazares have been considered the 2 best Flys.

[donnydarkoIRL]

If Barrys in then the rest can just walk right in and make themselves feel at home.

Mick I've posted several times on this, I'll just drop a link

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ame-bound.html


http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...about-him.html

The HOF is not just for boxing achievements, but ones effect on the boxing worl, its fans and his representation of the sport.