Saddo's Official Pound for Pound List II

[Fenster]

To the people that say Hatton should be there and not Mijares:
When rating P4P it's NOT just about a record you have to also take into consideration "Quality of Opposition" and "Skills" (meaning the skills that the fighter has been displaying)

Exactly! Judging soley on records is totally misleading - and can be easily countered.

Fenster anyone who rates Navarro as "coming of a loss" is pretty naive IMO. Navarro was blatently robbed vs. Kawashima in Japan anyone who saw the fight knows that. The Kirilov fight could have gone either way very close fight.

NO Mick.. anyone that claims Navarro was "coming off a loss" is stating a FACT. Fact.

Kawashima was irrelevant to this little debate

[CutMeMick]

To the people that say Hatton should be there and not Mijares:
When rating P4P it's NOT just about a record you have to also take into consideration "Quality of Opposition" and "Skills" (meaning the skills that the fighter has been displaying)

Exactly! Judging soley on records is totally misleading - and can be easily countered.

Which is why Miajres out points Hatton in a P4P basis.
Because he is more skilled then Hatton.

[Fenster]

To the people that say Hatton should be there and not Mijares:
When rating P4P it's NOT just about a record you have to also take into consideration "Quality of Opposition" and "Skills" (meaning the skills that the fighter has been displaying)

Exactly! Judging soley on records is totally misleading - and can be easily countered.

Which is why Miajres out points Hatton in a P4P basis.
Because he is more skilled then Hatton.

Yeah, i'd probably back Mijares in a P4P situation too

[killersheep]

NO Mick.. anyone that claims Navarro was "coming off a loss" is stating a FACT. Fact.

OK here's your list

Due to Pacs most recent terrific showing he jumps from 4th to 3rd on my definitive list.

1. Guzman
2. JM Marquez
3. Pac
4. Calzaghe
5. Cotto
6. Linares
7. Vazquez
8. Haye
9. Hasegawa
10. Pavlik

Fact.

Sounds like a double standard to be talking trash about Mijares when you have Hasagawa on your list. Please explain why by your standards you have Hasegawa and not Mijares, please further explain why you have JMM who just lost to PAC higher than him.

NO Fenster.. anyone that claims JMM "lost" is stating a FACT. Fact.

[Fenster]

Sounds like a double standard to be talking trash about Mijares when you have Hasagawa on your list. Please explain why by your standards you have Hasegawa and not Mijares, please further explain why you have JMM who just lost to PAC higher than him.

NO Fenster.. anyone that claims JMM "lost" is stating a FACT. Fact.

First off, I NEVER spoke trash about Mijares. I highlighted a few flaws in the argument that Mijares currently has a better record than Hatton. That's all.

Secondly, P4P is nothing more than a bit of fun. It's about fantasy match-ups. There is NO right or wrong or definitive list.

SO.. it is without doubt a FACT that Pac beat Marquez. But in MY opinion Marquez has beaten Pac - TWICE. Therefore I rate Marquez the better fighter. So in MY free rein P4P list he rates higher. Simple as.

Oh.. and Hasegawa is on my list because I favour skill over records when trying to find the winner of a fantasy match with size and weight leveled. I like him. Feel free to rubbish his worthiness.. if you like.

[killersheep]

Sounds like a double standard to be talking trash about Mijares when you have Hasagawa on your list. Please explain why by your standards you have Hasegawa and not Mijares, please further explain why you have JMM who just lost to PAC higher than him.

NO Fenster.. anyone that claims JMM "lost" is stating a FACT. Fact.

First off, I NEVER spoke trash about Mijares. I highlighted a few flaws in the argument that Mijares currently has a better record than Hatton. That's all.

Secondly, P4P is nothing more than a bit of fun. It's about fantasy match-ups. There is NO right or wrong or definitive list.

SO.. it is without doubt a FACT that Pac beat Marquez. But in MY opinion Marquez has beaten Pac - TWICE. Therefore I rate Marquez the better fighter. So in MY free rein P4P list he rates higher. Simple as.

Oh.. and Hasegawa is on my list because I favour skill over records when trying to find the winner of a fantasy match with size and weight leveled. I like him. Feel free to rubbish his worthiness.. if you like.

Actually I rather like Hasegawa, his footwork is second to none.

And more so than anything else I am using this p4p "debate" to exercise my right to be old and grumpy (I am the same age as you).