Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?

[ICB]

Toney's best wins before the Jones fight were

Merqui Sosa, good win

Iran Barkley, wiped out in a round by Benn, had five (two by ko) before facing Toney

Mike McCallum, was already beaten by journeyman sumbu kalambay

Michael Nunn, good win

Reggie Johnson, had a loss, nothing special

Tim Littles, good win

Charles Williams, had five losses one by ko

Doug De Witt, seven losses and another recycled benn opponent

Not a bad resume at all but he still couldnt put two titles together

I stopped reading when you said Sumbu Kalambay was a journeyman are you kidding me ?? he had over 60+ fights and was only ever KO'ed once by one of the hardest punches i've ever seen from Michael Nunn. And he had good wins over McCallum, Graham x2, Collins, Barkley, etc. To call Kalambay a jounreyman has just shown how limited your boxing knowledge is, he was one of the most underrated Middleweights of the 80s, and was a very skilled fighter especially his upper body movement which was superb.

[HattonTheHammer]

big calzaghe fan and have followed him through thick and thin.

But even i know a prime RJJ would whoop him into next week.

On his day jones jr was something real special, the closest your going to get to a complete fighter that has it all (apart from a chin as demonstrated in the johnson fight)

[Markusdarkus]

big calzaghe fan and have followed him through thick and thin.

But even i know a prime RJJ would whoop him into next week.

On his day jones jr was something real special, the closest your going to get to a complete fighter that has it all (apart from a chin as demonstrated in the johnson fight)

Ray Robinson is the most complete fighter, Roy of the last 20yrs imo.

[donnydarkoIRL]

big calzaghe fan and have followed him through thick and thin.

But even i know a prime RJJ would whoop him into next week.

On his day jones jr was something real special, the closest your going to get to a complete fighter that has it all (apart from a chin as demonstrated in the johnson fight)

Ray Robinson is the most complete fighter, Roy of the last 20yrs imo.

Ray Robinson was far from a complete fighter.

[Markusdarkus]

big calzaghe fan and have followed him through thick and thin.

But even i know a prime RJJ would whoop him into next week.

On his day jones jr was something real special, the closest your going to get to a complete fighter that has it all (apart from a chin as demonstrated in the johnson fight)

Ray Robinson is the most complete fighter, Roy of the last 20yrs imo.

Ray Robinson was far from a complete fighter.

What would you say Robinson lacked? and if there is a more complete packadge tell me.

I like Willie Pep but he had no power and Ali of the mid 60s at heavyweight was pretty complete.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Ray Robinson is the most complete fighter, Roy of the last 20yrs imo.

Ray Robinson was far from a complete fighter.

What would you say Robinson lacked? and if there is a more complete packadge tell me.

I like Willie Pep but he had no power and Ali of the mid 60s at heavyweight was pretty complete.

There were a few important flaws in Robinson.

We could actually start a thread about this and we could rattle out a good debate, but I'm just about to finish work.

If you are here to ask me again tomorrow I'll explain the logic behind my statement.

As for a more complete fighter.
Off the top of my head Pernell Whittaker.

[ICB]

Ray Robinson is the most complete fighter, Roy of the last 20yrs imo.

Ray Robinson was far from a complete fighter.

What would you say Robinson lacked? and if there is a more complete packadge tell me.

I like Willie Pep but he had no power and Ali of the mid 60s at heavyweight was pretty complete.

The problem is unless your old as dirt you wouldn't have seen a prime Robinson, because there is no footage of him at Welterweight. I think these fighters had the complete package.

Salvador Sanchez
Alexis Arguello
Ricardo Lopez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
Pernell Whitaker

Just a quick list but i consider those fighters to have the complete package.

[Markusdarkus]

From what i have seen which is a slightly off peak Robinson its the best, Heart, Power, speed, Chin, Desire, Footwork.

I agree Pernell is a great fighter but he lacks power.

Fuk it i`ll start a thread.

[JT Rock]

Ray Robinson was far from a complete fighter.

What would you say Robinson lacked? and if there is a more complete packadge tell me.

I like Willie Pep but he had no power and Ali of the mid 60s at heavyweight was pretty complete.

The problem is unless your old as dirt you wouldn't have seen a prime Robinson, because there is no footage of him at Welterweight. I think these fighters had the complete package.

Salvador Sanchez
Alexis Arguello
Ricardo Lopez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
Pernell Whitaker

Just a quick list but i consider those fighters to have the complete package.

Roy was great but he was by no means a complete fighter... He had athletisism that this sport had never seen before him..

Jones wasnt textbook fundamentals and technical ability with his offense or drfense.. If Roy worked on fundamentals 1st and Athletsism 2nd like Floyd does he would have never been sparked by Tarver.. It has taken Jones a few years to evolve into a better pure Boxer now that his reflexes have diminished he seems comfortable in the ring again and has 2 great fights left in him