Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?

[donnydarkoIRL]

big calzaghe fan and have followed him through thick and thin.

But even i know a prime RJJ would whoop him into next week.

On his day jones jr was something real special, the closest your going to get to a complete fighter that has it all (apart from a chin as demonstrated in the johnson fight)

Ray Robinson is the most complete fighter, Roy of the last 20yrs imo.

Ray Robinson was far from a complete fighter.

[Markusdarkus]

big calzaghe fan and have followed him through thick and thin.

But even i know a prime RJJ would whoop him into next week.

On his day jones jr was something real special, the closest your going to get to a complete fighter that has it all (apart from a chin as demonstrated in the johnson fight)

Ray Robinson is the most complete fighter, Roy of the last 20yrs imo.

Ray Robinson was far from a complete fighter.

What would you say Robinson lacked? and if there is a more complete packadge tell me.

I like Willie Pep but he had no power and Ali of the mid 60s at heavyweight was pretty complete.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Ray Robinson is the most complete fighter, Roy of the last 20yrs imo.

Ray Robinson was far from a complete fighter.

What would you say Robinson lacked? and if there is a more complete packadge tell me.

I like Willie Pep but he had no power and Ali of the mid 60s at heavyweight was pretty complete.

There were a few important flaws in Robinson.

We could actually start a thread about this and we could rattle out a good debate, but I'm just about to finish work.

If you are here to ask me again tomorrow I'll explain the logic behind my statement.

As for a more complete fighter.
Off the top of my head Pernell Whittaker.

[ICB]

Ray Robinson is the most complete fighter, Roy of the last 20yrs imo.

Ray Robinson was far from a complete fighter.

What would you say Robinson lacked? and if there is a more complete packadge tell me.

I like Willie Pep but he had no power and Ali of the mid 60s at heavyweight was pretty complete.

The problem is unless your old as dirt you wouldn't have seen a prime Robinson, because there is no footage of him at Welterweight. I think these fighters had the complete package.

Salvador Sanchez
Alexis Arguello
Ricardo Lopez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
Pernell Whitaker

Just a quick list but i consider those fighters to have the complete package.

[Markusdarkus]

From what i have seen which is a slightly off peak Robinson its the best, Heart, Power, speed, Chin, Desire, Footwork.

I agree Pernell is a great fighter but he lacks power.

Fuk it i`ll start a thread.

[JT Rock]

Ray Robinson was far from a complete fighter.

What would you say Robinson lacked? and if there is a more complete packadge tell me.

I like Willie Pep but he had no power and Ali of the mid 60s at heavyweight was pretty complete.

The problem is unless your old as dirt you wouldn't have seen a prime Robinson, because there is no footage of him at Welterweight. I think these fighters had the complete package.

Salvador Sanchez
Alexis Arguello
Ricardo Lopez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
Pernell Whitaker

Just a quick list but i consider those fighters to have the complete package.

Roy was great but he was by no means a complete fighter... He had athletisism that this sport had never seen before him..

Jones wasnt textbook fundamentals and technical ability with his offense or drfense.. If Roy worked on fundamentals 1st and Athletsism 2nd like Floyd does he would have never been sparked by Tarver.. It has taken Jones a few years to evolve into a better pure Boxer now that his reflexes have diminished he seems comfortable in the ring again and has 2 great fights left in him

[Markusdarkus]

What would you say Robinson lacked? and if there is a more complete packadge tell me.

I like Willie Pep but he had no power and Ali of the mid 60s at heavyweight was pretty complete.

The problem is unless your old as dirt you wouldn't have seen a prime Robinson, because there is no footage of him at Welterweight. I think these fighters had the complete package.

Salvador Sanchez
Alexis Arguello
Ricardo Lopez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
Pernell Whitaker

Just a quick list but i consider those fighters to have the complete package.

Roy was great but he was by no means a complete fighter... He had athletisism that this sport had never seen before him..

Jones wasnt textbook fundamentals and technical ability with his offense or drfense.. If Roy worked on fundamentals 1st and Athletsism 2nd like Floyd does he would have never been sparked by Tarver.. It has taken Jones a few years to evolve into a better pure Boxer now that his reflexes have diminished he seems comfortable in the ring again and has 2 great fights left in him

You can also say that if Roy had been fundamentally sound eg had an effective jab it would have made him more orthadox and not the great unorthadox fighter he was.

[JT Rock]

The problem is unless your old as dirt you wouldn't have seen a prime Robinson, because there is no footage of him at Welterweight. I think these fighters had the complete package.

Salvador Sanchez
Alexis Arguello
Ricardo Lopez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
Pernell Whitaker

Just a quick list but i consider those fighters to have the complete package.

Roy was great but he was by no means a complete fighter... He had athletisism that this sport had never seen before him..

Jones wasnt textbook fundamentals and technical ability with his offense or drfense.. If Roy worked on fundamentals 1st and Athletsism 2nd like Floyd does he would have never been sparked by Tarver.. It has taken Jones a few years to evolve into a better pure Boxer now that his reflexes have diminished he seems comfortable in the ring again and has 2 great fights left in him

You can also say that if Roy had been fundamentally sound eg had an effective jab it would have made him more orthadox and not the great unorthadox fighter he was.

Perhaps but with blinding speed, power and rediculous reflexes, would have never been a fair fight with anyone

[ICB]

What would you say Robinson lacked? and if there is a more complete packadge tell me.

I like Willie Pep but he had no power and Ali of the mid 60s at heavyweight was pretty complete.

The problem is unless your old as dirt you wouldn't have seen a prime Robinson, because there is no footage of him at Welterweight. I think these fighters had the complete package.

Salvador Sanchez
Alexis Arguello
Ricardo Lopez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
Pernell Whitaker

Just a quick list but i consider those fighters to have the complete package.

Roy was great but he was by no means a complete fighter... He had athletisism that this sport had never seen before him..

Jones wasnt textbook fundamentals and technical ability with his offense or drfense.. If Roy worked on fundamentals 1st and Athletsism 2nd like Floyd does he would have never been sparked by Tarver.. It has taken Jones a few years to evolve into a better pure Boxer now that his reflexes have diminished he seems comfortable in the ring again and has 2 great fights left in him

I think you slightly misunderstood what i meant JT i meant just attribute wise he is a complete fighter like, Power, Speed, Slickness, Footwork etc. Never would i make out he is a textbook fighter because he isn't, all the time i've been boxing i've never tried anything that Jones Jr does because he is a one off and we might never see another Roy Jones Jr in our life time, but i agree Mayweather Jr is a textbook complete fighter and at Super Featherweight he had the power which made him even more dangerous.

[JT Rock]

The problem is unless your old as dirt you wouldn't have seen a prime Robinson, because there is no footage of him at Welterweight. I think these fighters had the complete package.

Salvador Sanchez
Alexis Arguello
Ricardo Lopez
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Roy Jones Jr
Pernell Whitaker

Just a quick list but i consider those fighters to have the complete package.

Roy was great but he was by no means a complete fighter... He had athletisism that this sport had never seen before him..

Jones wasnt textbook fundamentals and technical ability with his offense or drfense.. If Roy worked on fundamentals 1st and Athletsism 2nd like Floyd does he would have never been sparked by Tarver.. It has taken Jones a few years to evolve into a better pure Boxer now that his reflexes have diminished he seems comfortable in the ring again and has 2 great fights left in him

I think you slightly misunderstood what i meant JT i meant just attribute wise he is a complete fighter like, Power, Speed, Slickness, Footwork etc. Never would i make out he is a textbook fighter because he isn't, all the time i've been boxing i've never tried anything that Jones Jr does because he is a one off and we might never see another Roy Jones Jr in our life time, but i agree Mayweather Jr is a textbook complete fighter and at Super Featherweight he had the power which made him even more dangerous.

Imagine a textbook Roy... My God it wouldnt ever been close with anybody... The amount of natural ability that man has is baffling... Like I staed already even if he was weight drained and suffering with the weight loss from Heavy, if he was a better technical Boxer he would have been able to compensate for his deterioration and would have never been KO'D by Johnson or Tarver

[ICB]

Roy was great but he was by no means a complete fighter... He had athletisism that this sport had never seen before him..

Jones wasnt textbook fundamentals and technical ability with his offense or drfense.. If Roy worked on fundamentals 1st and Athletsism 2nd like Floyd does he would have never been sparked by Tarver.. It has taken Jones a few years to evolve into a better pure Boxer now that his reflexes have diminished he seems comfortable in the ring again and has 2 great fights left in him

I think you slightly misunderstood what i meant JT i meant just attribute wise he is a complete fighter like, Power, Speed, Slickness, Footwork etc. Never would i make out he is a textbook fighter because he isn't, all the time i've been boxing i've never tried anything that Jones Jr does because he is a one off and we might never see another Roy Jones Jr in our life time, but i agree Mayweather Jr is a textbook complete fighter and at Super Featherweight he had the power which made him even more dangerous.

Imagine a textbook Roy... My God it wouldnt ever been close with anybody... The amount of natural ability that man has is baffling... Like I staed already even if he was weight drained and suffering with the weight loss from Heavy, if he was a better technical Boxer he would have been able to compensate for his deterioration and would have never been KO'D by Johnson or Tarver

Yes that is a scary thought JT i think in his own mind he still thinks he is the old RJJ, but age catches up with everyone and i would love him to get more technical in his approach. Although i do think he is somewhat on his way there, if you noticed in his last few fights he has been holding his hands higher, and throwing good accurate shots and not throwing as many lunging shots. I think fighters like JMM and FMJ could easily carry on until there 40 and still have good wins against top opposition, because of how good there technical skills are. Look at Hopkins he used to be a very aggressive fighter in his early days of being champion, but he adjusted and he can still be competitive with fighters like Calzaghe who is a top 3 P4P fighter, quite incredible isn't it ??

By the way Markus if you watched Vinny Pazineza fight you can see in that fight how great Jones was when he used his jab.