Will Hatton be an all time great?

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yep but callazo hurt his hand in the mosley fight.... kind ov unfair.

Collazo had 1 maybe 2 decent rounds Mosley adjusted and beat down on Collazo and knocked him down end of, there was too much made out of Collazo's injury.

Too much made?

He fractured his thumb and tore 3 ligaments in his hand....in the 2nd round.

Up until that stage he was having a lot of success with the straight left. He landed it numerous times. After the point of injury he stopped throwing punches.

It's ok praising Mosley for adjusting but you have to ask yourself, what adjustment did he really have to make after Collazo severley damaged the hand that he was having so much success with.

Mayweather badly broke his hand against Hernandez and still dominated him, its quite common in boxing to have hand injuries. As i said too much was made out of the injury Mosley did adjust and you can clearly see that if you watch the fight closely, and he dominated Collazo because he is the better fighter end of. Its funny how some fans take injuries into account for some fighters and not others, i mean i never here anyone talking about Tony Tucker breaking his right hand after the 4th round against Mike Tyson, but up and until that point he was clearly winning the fight.

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Collazo had 1 maybe 2 decent rounds Mosley adjusted and beat down on Collazo and knocked him down end of, there was too much made out of Collazo's injury.

Too much made?

He fractured his thumb and tore 3 ligaments in his hand....in the 2nd round.

Up until that stage he was having a lot of success with the straight left. He landed it numerous times. After the point of injury he stopped throwing punches.

It's ok praising Mosley for adjusting but you have to ask yourself, what adjustment did he really have to make after Collazo severley damaged the hand that he was having so much success with.

Mayweather badly broke his hand against Hernandez and still dominated him, its quite common in boxing to have hand injuries. As i said too much was made out of the injury Mosley did adjust and you can clearly see that if you watch the fight closely, and he dominated Collazo because he is the better fighter end of. Its funny how some fans take injuries into account for some fighters and not others, i mean i never here anyone talking about Tony Tucker breaking his right hand after the 4th round against Mike Tyson, but up and until that point he was clearly winning the fight.

Yes but Mayweather is a much better fighter than Hernandez. We both know Mayweather is a very very special fighter.

I don't think Mosley had to adjust to anything. Collazo stopped throwing his left hand. I know too much can be made of injury but if it becomes too painful for a fighter to throw a punch, then the injury is obviously significant enough to offer an explanation as to why the fight was so one-sided.

He deserves another title shot. He's had pretty bad luck at the top level.

[ICB]

Too much made?

He fractured his thumb and tore 3 ligaments in his hand....in the 2nd round.

Up until that stage he was having a lot of success with the straight left. He landed it numerous times. After the point of injury he stopped throwing punches.

It's ok praising Mosley for adjusting but you have to ask yourself, what adjustment did he really have to make after Collazo severley damaged the hand that he was having so much success with.

Mayweather badly broke his hand against Hernandez and still dominated him, its quite common in boxing to have hand injuries. As i said too much was made out of the injury Mosley did adjust and you can clearly see that if you watch the fight closely, and he dominated Collazo because he is the better fighter end of. Its funny how some fans take injuries into account for some fighters and not others, i mean i never here anyone talking about Tony Tucker breaking his right hand after the 4th round against Mike Tyson, but up and until that point he was clearly winning the fight.

Yes but Mayweather is a much better fighter than Hernandez. We both know Mayweather is a very very special fighter.

I don't think Mosley had to adjust to anything. Collazo stopped throwing his left hand. I know too much can be made of injury but if it becomes too painful for a fighter to throw a punch, then the injury is obviously significant enough to offer an explanation as to why the fight was so one-sided.

He deserves another title shot. He's had pretty bad luck at the top level.

Luis Collazo vs Andre Berto is the fight i want to see.

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Mayweather badly broke his hand against Hernandez and still dominated him, its quite common in boxing to have hand injuries. As i said too much was made out of the injury Mosley did adjust and you can clearly see that if you watch the fight closely, and he dominated Collazo because he is the better fighter end of. Its funny how some fans take injuries into account for some fighters and not others, i mean i never here anyone talking about Tony Tucker breaking his right hand after the 4th round against Mike Tyson, but up and until that point he was clearly winning the fight.

Yes but Mayweather is a much better fighter than Hernandez. We both know Mayweather is a very very special fighter.

I don't think Mosley had to adjust to anything. Collazo stopped throwing his left hand. I know too much can be made of injury but if it becomes too painful for a fighter to throw a punch, then the injury is obviously significant enough to offer an explanation as to why the fight was so one-sided.

He deserves another title shot. He's had pretty bad luck at the top level.

Luis Collazo vs Andre Berto is the fight i want to see.

Yeah that would be an interesting fight.

Collazo has an awkward style and he is skilled. For that reason, i don't think many of the belt holders will be in a rush to face him.

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Hatton's not even a great fighter much less an ATG. Hattons just a good fighter, and will never be an ATG period. I dont care that he's a likeable guy he's just not good enough to be on the ATG list like Pernell Whittaker, Tommy Hearns, SRL, Duran, Hagler, Bernard Hopkins, AAron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Azumah Nelson , Finito Lopez. Are you guys starting to understand now. Hattons name and even Floyd Mayweather's name should never be mentioned with the names of the guys i just mentioned period.

Why shouldn't Mayweather be mentioned with any of those names ?? he is a better fighter than at least 3 names on that list.

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OK someone explain to me why Hatton was better than Aaron Pryor and JCC at 140.

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Hatton's not even a great fighter much less an ATG. Hattons just a good fighter, and will never be an ATG period. I dont care that he's a likeable guy he's just not good enough to be on the ATG list like Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Joe frazier, Willie Pep, Archie Moore, Rocky Marciano, Pernell Whittaker, Tommy Hearns, SRL, Duran, Hagler, Bernard Hopkins, AAron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Azumah Nelson , Finito Lopez. Are you guys starting to understand now. Hattons name and even Floyd Mayweather's name should never be mentioned with the names of the guys i just mentioned period.

I find it rather odd you'd have Hopkins up there but not Mayweather.

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Hatton's not even a great fighter much less an ATG. Hattons just a good fighter, and will never be an ATG period. I dont care that he's a likeable guy he's just not good enough to be on the ATG list like Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Joe frazier, Willie Pep, Archie Moore, Rocky Marciano, Pernell Whittaker, Tommy Hearns, SRL, Duran, Hagler, Bernard Hopkins, AAron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Azumah Nelson , Finito Lopez. Are you guys starting to understand now. Hattons name and even Floyd Mayweather's name should never be mentioned with the names of the guys i just mentioned period.

I find it rather odd you'd have Hopkins up there but not Mayweather.

Well Hopkins has accomplished more than mayweather period. Theres still alot left for Mayweather to do but he refuses to do so because he usually prefers the easier fights. The only reason he retired before fighting Oscar is how would it look if he fought Oscar then avoided the winner of Cotto/Margarito ? this guy does not want to fight the best guys in his division he would rather retire. Sorry but the guys on my ATG list also brought alot of heart to the game.

How has Hopkins achieved more than Mayweather ?? Mayweather has won 5 titles in 5 weight divisions, and im sure if you list all there best wins Mayweather comes out on top. But thats your opinion and your entitled to it but i disagree.

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Hatton's not even a great fighter much less an ATG. Hattons just a good fighter, and will never be an ATG period. I dont care that he's a likeable guy he's just not good enough to be on the ATG list like Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Joe frazier, Willie Pep, Archie Moore, Rocky Marciano, Pernell Whittaker, Tommy Hearns, SRL, Duran, Hagler, Bernard Hopkins, AAron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Azumah Nelson , Finito Lopez. Are you guys starting to understand now. Hattons name and even Floyd Mayweather's name should never be mentioned with the names of the guys i just mentioned period.
I find it rather odd you'd have Hopkins up there but not Mayweather.

Well Hopkins has accomplished more than mayweather period. Theres still alot left for Mayweather to do but he refuses to do so because he usually prefers the easier fights. The only reason he retired before fighting Oscar is how would it look if he fought Oscar then avoided the winner of Cotto/Margarito ? this guy does not want to fight the best guys in his division he would rather retire. Sorry but the guys on my ATG list also brought alot of heart to the game.

In The UK Hatton is and will be an all time great around the world this will vary

Mayweather is an ATG and belongs in that list you cant deny him because he didn't fight Cotto / Tony you have to look at what he has done his whole career 5 titles in 5 weight divisions gets you on an ATG great list period

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I think Hatton will definitely be remembered as a great fighter.. but as far as ATG, i don't know..

a while back i was going to make a thread about this, and never did.. either way, i'm probably going to get flamed for this, but just remember, this is only MY opinion..

After watching the Tszyu fight, after everybody hyped up how good Ricky was that night, and how it was his defining fight and all that stuff, i had mixed feelings.. I mean, he definitely was amazing that night, and was relentless as all hell, but did you see the scoring? I don't remember it exactly but i think at least 1 judge had Tszyu winning, one had it even, and one had Hatton winning, and then Tszyu QUIT!!?? Are you kidding? This leaves a sour feeling simply because Tszyu, with I think Two rounds left, could have won this fight, but he gave up.. Not to take anything away from Ricky because he fought magnificently, but how can you quit if you're winning on a judges scorecard, and even on another.. Granted Tszyu was a P4P fighter, and always in the top tier of boxers of his time, so whether you KO him or beat him by a point you still beat a great fighter, so again not saying Ricky didn't perform great, I just don't see how, besides that fight he did anything to prove his ATG status..

He beat Tackie up.. beat Collazo in a real close fight, beat Maussa, beat Castillo, lost to Floyd, and although he beat Lazcano for about 86% of the fight, he almost got knocked down, and possibly even out, he was holding on for dear life and the ref bailed him out.. my stomach was sick after that fight..

I just think he will be more remembered by how exciting and fearless and relentless he was as opposed to anything else..