Warren: Trust me when Pavlik beats Taylor at 166lbs....

[Deanrw]

lol. sreious lol.

The only way to beat Calzaghe (unless you detonate an atom bomb on his chin) is to fight backing off and smother, Calzaghe does not fight well on the front foot.

Now Pavlik cannot fight like that,his gimmik is to pressure fighters and out bomb them someone with Calzaghe speed and footwork make it an easy night.

And im not sure Calzaghe is looking for easy pickings yes he is cashing in fighting Roy but surely you cant say Mikkel Kessler and Bernard Hopkins is "Cashing in" and before we get the Hopkins was old crap he was coming off career best B2B wins over Winky Wright and antonio Tarver (112-107) who has since come back and won a world title.

Hopkins was ALL WRONG for calzaghe, Pavlik is PERFECT foir Joe.

You are just a fanboy. I'm not going to waste any more time with you. You refuse to look through the stained glass to see the big picture. You are just a Nationalistic NutHugger. Plain and simple.

You know nothing about Calzaghe or his history he is clearly not over-rated and Pavlik is clearly made for him.

You cant see that fine its your problem the rest of use will call it how we see it is not how we dream it to be.

What part of the UK are you from? I mean most from there are actually level headed and great people, but there are also some nutriders, who are not even boxing fans, that invade this place to proclaim Joe's greatness for all of us to witness, simply because they are bandwagon humpers. So where are you from?

[Markusdarkus]

You are just a fanboy. I'm not going to waste any more time with you. You refuse to look through the stained glass to see the big picture. You are just a Nationalistic NutHugger. Plain and simple.

You know nothing about Calzaghe or his history he is clearly not over-rated and Pavlik is clearly made for him.

You cant see that fine its your problem the rest of use will call it how we see it is not how we dream it to be.

What part of the UK are you from? I mean most from there are actually level headed and great people, but there are also some nutriders, who are not even boxing fans, that invade this place to proclaim Joe's greatness for all of us to witness, simply because they are bandwagon humpers. So where are you from?

Im a fan not a hugger i mean its not like i got a pic of him as a sig or avator

Hopkins and Dawson were and are the only fighters that i see beating Calzaghe not Kelly Pavlik lol.

Be it the divisions are weak and the fact that Calzaghe beat the only other real threat in Mikkel Kessler and Hopkins beat Wright and Tarver.

I hope Joe fights Kelly before Abrahams gets him.

Its style my boxing newbie and Pavlik is perfect for Joe, infact my 9yrs watching Joe i could not pick a guy more made for him.

He eats aimless plodders for breakfast.

Hopkins laid the plans to beat Calzaghe.

[CountryBoy]

"Arum will give him a few soft defences cash in on him" and "Stay at 160lbs fight a few mandatories and avoid SMW its too deep and Pavlik too limited"

Wow Warren maybe a twat but he knows the game:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ocIFecmBuXk
7:20 on.

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Probably 85-95% of this forum, Sorry bro this is one of the most knowledgeable and legit forums on the net for boxing.

[CountryBoy]

You know nothing about Calzaghe or his history he is clearly not over-rated and Pavlik is clearly made for him.

You cant see that fine its your problem the rest of use will call it how we see it is not how we dream it to be.

What part of the UK are you from? I mean most from there are actually level headed and great people, but there are also some nutriders, who are not even boxing fans, that invade this place to proclaim Joe's greatness for all of us to witness, simply because they are bandwagon humpers. So where are you from?

Im a fan not a hugger i mean its not like i got a pic of him as a sig or avator

Hopkins and Dawson were and are the only fighters that i see beating Calzaghe not Kelly Pavlik lol.

Be it the divisions are weak and the fact that Calzaghe beat the only other real threat in Mikkel Kessler and Hopkins beat Wright and Tarver.

I hope Joe fights Kelly before Abrahams gets him.

Its style my boxing newbie and Pavlik is perfect for Joe, infact my 9yrs watching Joe i could not pick a guy more made for him.

He eats aimless plodders for breakfast.

Hopkins laid the plans to beat Calzaghe.

Lol, What laying on the ropes throwing one punch a round while holding his nutts? Calzaghe is good, But C'mon...Really

[Fenster]

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Probably 85-95% of this forum, Sorry bro this is one of the most knowledgeable and legit forums on the net for boxing.

Yeah but Calzaghe is one of the most underrated and disliked fighters on here.

There's ALWAYS someone he's ducking or someone that will beat him.

[mexirican]

Kelly would punish old slapper. Enzo and Joe know whats best for them and thats the seniors circuit [Hopkins-RJJ]. Kelly's to young to strong lets be honest TO MUCH OF A RISK. Run slapper run!

[southakron314]

"Arum will give him a few soft defences cash in on him" and "Stay at 160lbs fight a few mandatories and avoid SMW its too deep and Pavlik too limited"

Wow Warren maybe a twat but he knows the game:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ocIFecmBuXk7:20 on.

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

I think he beats his little bitch ass like the punk charmin extra soft puncher that Calzaghe is. Pavlik would murder Calzaghe. He knows it . Enzo knows it. Last year Calzaghe said he would fight Pavlik. Pavlik said thats who he wants to fight next. Calzaghe ran for hill with his tail tucked leaving a stream of piss behind him and his daddy.

[southakron314]

I thought i was Mora or Williams

Yeah.. and now those two have come into it

Warren is correct and tbh he did it with Joe.

BUT!

What gets me are these Hopkins, Jones and Pavlik fans that knock Joe yet there fighters did the same exactly the same.

At least in Joes case when he stepped it up he won

First off dont kid your self Hopkins won that fight. Joe fought british fighters for years and turned down Jones in the many years back becuase of a 30 70 split. This would have been Calzaghe's biggest payday but his people knew he would have gotten beaten. He is facing old fart legends now to try to etch his legacy. He lost to a very out of prime old Hopkins. To me he already has lost. Hopkins lost to the judges not to Calzaghe. Did he really look like he was in a fight. No way at all. And then Calzaghe goes off and says he would knock Kelly out , then sign the fight you coward.

[Markusdarkus]

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

I think he beats his little bitch ass like the punk charmin extra soft puncher that Calzaghe is. Pavlik would murder Calzaghe. He knows it . Enzo knows it. Last year Calzaghe said he would fight Pavlik. Pavlik said thats who he wants to fight next. Calzaghe ran for hill with his tail tucked leaving a stream of piss behind him and his daddy.

Strange statement, you think Pavlik would beat Joe Calzaghe? WOW lets see if he has the guts to fight Abrahams after (snigger) Mora or (BBWWHHAA) Williams.

Too many people have no clue about Calzaghe, i will say it again you come foward to him with zero footwork (anyfootwork) you lose.

You press Calzaghe you take a whooping.

[Markusdarkus]

Yeah.. and now those two have come into it

Warren is correct and tbh he did it with Joe.

BUT!

What gets me are these Hopkins, Jones and Pavlik fans that knock Joe yet there fighters did the same exactly the same.

At least in Joes case when he stepped it up he won

First off dont kid your self Hopkins won that fight. Joe fought british fighters for years and turned down Jones in the many years back becuase of a 30 70 split. This would have been Calzaghe's biggest payday but his people knew he would have gotten beaten. He is facing old fart legends now to try to etch his legacy. He lost to a very out of prime old Hopkins. To me he already has lost. Hopkins lost to the judges not to Calzaghe. Did he really look like he was in a fight. No way at all. And then Calzaghe goes off and says he would knock Kelly out , then sign the fight you coward.

Hopkins never won that fight you clown and Calzaghe is fighting Jones for the money the $$. Why would he fight Mikkel Kessler a far better fighter with more speed and power yet duck ol 1,2?

[Youngblood]

Enzo, for all of his spouting, is not a stupid person. Lockett is in their stable and he was the test bout for the potential match up of a Calzaghe and Pavlik fight. He gave himself a better then front row seat to have a look, and he knows where Joe is at this point in his career. He also knows how Joe matches with Lockett...for goodness sakes, they are part of the same squad.

And when he grabbed that white towel and tossed it, his wheels were turning and you could see it in his eyes, but not anywhere in the direction of a fight with Kelly that he maybe was looking for, not with what he witnessed. Can't say as I blame him.

Nope. He does not want his son going out a loser, and not with the threat of a punishment in the process. A win over Pavlik would have silenced every doubter, and been a healthy box office draw. Have made his legacy complete...and THEN he could go fight another old guy....aka RJJ and take another big money fight with less risk.

But he saw what we all saw...what Kelly Pavlik is capable of, so shortened Joe's trip to retirement. I think it was a smart move. I would have respected the decision. It made sense. Just too bad they lacked class in the process by trying say Kelly wasn't good enuff. HA!

That is the only reason us who like Kelly have our feathers ruffled. We weren't calling Joe a ducker, or anything of the sort...until their camp opened their mouth with such foolishness.

So yea, whatever Joe and Enzo. Bawk Bawk. Go fight your old man fight and retire, and good luck.

[HattonTheHammer]

Enzo, for all of his spouting, is not a stupid person. Lockett is in their stable and he was the test bout for the potential match up of a Calzaghe and Pavlik fight. He gave himself a better then front row seat to have a look, and he knows where Joe is at this point in his career. He also knows how Joe matches with Lockett...for goodness sakes, they are part of the same squad.

And when he grabbed that white towel and tossed it, his wheels were turning and you could see it in his eyes, but not anywhere in the direction of a fight with Kelly that he maybe was looking for, not with what he witnessed. Can't say as I blame him.

Nope. He does not want his son going out a loser, and not with the threat of a punishment in the process. A win over Pavlik would have silenced every doubter, and been a healthy box office draw. Have made his legacy complete...and THEN he could go fight another old guy....aka RJJ and take another big money fight with less risk.

But he saw what we all saw...what Kelly Pavlik is capable of, so shortened Joe's trip to retirement. I think it was a smart move. I would have respected the decision. It made sense. Just too bad they lacked class in the process by trying say Kelly wasn't good enuff. HA!

That is the only reason us who like Kelly have our feathers ruffled. We weren't calling Joe a ducker, or anything of the sort...until their camp opened their mouth with such foolishness.

So yea, whatever Joe and Enzo. Bawk Bawk. Go fight your old man fight and retire, and good luck.

spot on fella

sure enzo is joes coach but he is also joes father and putting him in at this late stage of his career with a man who he has seen at first hand has the ability to really hurt someone just isnt gonna happen.

Remember enzo screaming at lockett between rounds to stop fighting in straight lines the very sort of thing he is often telling joe. Once that towel went in enzo not only forfeited the fight for the sake of gary lockett but also sacrificed any potential meeting between kelly and joe.

As for warren:

The guys the most succesful british promoter of the last 20 odd years, you cant knock him for that.

But i`ll always remember him as the man who held calzaghe back year after year yet jumped at the opportunity to put bruno back in with tyson knowing full well what mike was capable of

[ono]

Yeah Warren should know. He did it with Joe for 10 years. Arum tried to get Joe to fight Pavlik though, so I guess Arum thinks Joe is even more soft than Pavlik.

Bunch of rubbish!!

Smoke screen, Arum wont let Pavlik near Calzaghe until he has made $$ off Kelly Pavlik.

Seriously who actually thinks Pavlik can beat Calzaghe? im not sure even Jack Loew thinks that.

Did you actually watch Joe's last fight? He was like a fish out of water. He is far from unbeatable and trust me, Jack and Pavlik know this. The only smoke here is the screen you are blowing up your own ass. Pavlik and Joe are both over-rated by so many. Joe knows he is fading and that is why he has been shopping the geriatric unit's for opponents. Pavlik's people are also digging the bottom of the barrel looking for easy pickings. It is all there in black and white.

I fail to see how Joe has suddenly become faded.

An average performance against Hopkins isn't necessarily the mark of a fading fighter. The way he handled Kessler was impressive.

Hopkins is a very difficult guy to look good against.

Pavlik is also very handy. He's over-rated by the extremists and maybe the die hard Pavlik fans. But that happens with every fighter at some point who has a following. He's clearly the best around at his weight.

Anyway thats the first time i've disagreed with your opinion, so no hard feelings mate

[Markusdarkus]

Calzaghe had one bad fight since Reid in 99 thats 9yrs all of a sudden he is featherfisted and past it. Sorry his career worst display was easily enough to topple Hopkins at a new weight when Hopkins was coming off career best wins.

Calzaghe on form would o my good, it would be brutal, he would destroy Kelly Pavlik.

Kelly Pavlik have the most insane fans since Miguel Cotto was coming through and they might even supparse those they are insane.

[southakron314]

Warren is correct and tbh he did it with Joe.

BUT!

What gets me are these Hopkins, Jones and Pavlik fans that knock Joe yet there fighters did the same exactly the same.

At least in Joes case when he stepped it up he won

First off dont kid your self Hopkins won that fight. Joe fought british fighters for years and turned down Jones in the many years back becuase of a 30 70 split. This would have been Calzaghe's biggest payday but his people knew he would have gotten beaten. He is facing old fart legends now to try to etch his legacy. He lost to a very out of prime old Hopkins. To me he already has lost. Hopkins lost to the judges not to Calzaghe. Did he really look like he was in a fight. No way at all. And then Calzaghe goes off and says he would knock Kelly out , then sign the fight you coward.

Hopkins never won that fight you clown and Calzaghe is fighting Jones for the money the $$. Why would he fight Mikkel Kessler a far better fighter with more speed and power yet duck ol 1,2?

Kessler isnt that great. He does not have the power of Pavlik. He does not have the power behing the jab like Pavlik. Pavlik is never off balance. Pavlik is hard to hit at times. I think Lockett landed flush maybe once the whole fight with zero effect but every time Pavlik grazed Lockett's head he went down. This is a guy who tore through Euro middle weights and has never been knocked out. Same with Taylor, Miranda and Iron head Zurtuche. Pavlik bats away punches a skill that is almost not scene any more. Trust me if Hopkins can put Joe on his ass Kelly with the way harder straiter punches will put him down time and time again and to sleep. Dont kid your self your boy is a coward. I bet
Roy Jones can beat him. He probably will.