Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27

[Markusdarkus]

Brutal. I'm beginning to miss Jermaine Taylor, at least when he cherry-picked gimme opponents he only dipped one weight class below his.

True, but I'd rather see Pavlik fight a big-name welter than a no-name middleweight. I'd rather see Paul Williams get a shot than another Gary Lockett.

There has to be someone in the top 15 MW's who is more deserving of this fight. I know they want a gimme to set up Pavlik-Abraham (at least I hope that's what they're doing), but Pavlik just had a gimme fight in Lockett. Williams has never ever fought at LMW, let alone MW, and he's done nothing to deserve a shot at Pavlik. The fight has little credibility and no competitive aspect to it, Pavlik will steamroll Williams.

Jermaine Taylor was raked over the coals when he fought Ouma and Spinks, and that was after a series of fights against much better opposition than Pavlik has faced, I hope Pavlik gets that same treatment.

This is worse than Spink and Ouma FIRSTLY Ouma and Spinks are legit 154lb fighters held titles at the weight SECONDLY Williams has never fought above 147 THIRDLY Pavlik is 6 Fucking 3".

BBBWWHHHAAAAA!!!!

Worse match up in a few decades, BBBWWHHHAAAAA

[SweetPea]

This is worse than Spink and Ouma FIRSTLY Ouma and Spinks are legit 154lb fighters held titles at the weight SECONDLY Williams has never fought above 147 THIRDLY Pavlik is 6 Fucking 3".

BBBWWHHHAAAAA!!!!

Worse match up in a few decades, BBBWWHHHAAAAA

Williams is a freakishly big welterweight who rehydrates up into the mid-160s for his fights. He's bigger than Spinks or Ouma and is a more dangerous opponent.

I think Pavlik knocks out Williams, but I give Williams a better chance than I gave either Ouma or Spinks.

[Fenster]

Williams may well be a big freak but still.. this is a "gimme" 2 for Pavlik.

[Deanrw]

Paul's first dozen fights were at Jr Middleweight and Middleweight.

He moved down in weight to fight the smaller guys.

[Fenster]

Paul's first dozen fights were at Jr Middleweight and Middleweight.

He moved down in weight to fight the smaller guys.

Must have been a reason for that

[Wayne]

To tell the truth, this may not be as bad of a match-up as some are thinking. Look at Paul Williams- he does not belong at WW. I thought the primary reason for him losing to Quintana was being too weight drained going into that fight. He must have been on his diet to a T to come back and dominate like he did. That being said, if this fight happens you will never see Williams at WW again. I'm surprised he's leapfrogging JMW but there aren't any big names there he could get a match with (Oscar probably wants no part) but he was probably going to wind up a MW at some point in his career. If you look at their stats they match up pretty closely. Kelly is 1.5 inches taller, but Paul's arms are 7 inches longer. Williams only has one more fight, so experience-wise they are the same. I think Kelly wins in the long run simply because his chin is more tested. Paul hasn't been tested the same. Who knows, maybe Williams has an even sturdier chin and his power will carry up 2 divisions. He may be able to put the finishing touch on that Jermain Taylor couldn't.

[boozeboxer]

Man this is bullshit. You Pavlik fans know it. Winky just demands whatever the best middleweight in the world should be compensated for, a decent amount to take on a tough, risky opponent. Yes, I am sure that Winky wanted more money than Gary Lockett did. That probably means he is pricing himself out.


I love Arum. He is a very smart guy.

[Deanrw]

Man this is bullshit. You Pavlik fans know it. Winky just demands whatever the best middleweight in the world should be compensated for, a decent amount to take on a tough, risky opponent. Yes, I am sure that Winky wanted more money than Gary Lockett did. That probably means he is pricing himself out.


I love Arum. He is a very smart guy.

I would rather him fight Winky also. Not sure what happened there. If Paul came down in price I'm sure Winky would also.

[CFH]

Man this is bullshit. You Pavlik fans know it. Winky just demands whatever the best middleweight in the world should be compensated for, a decent amount to take on a tough, risky opponent. Yes, I am sure that Winky wanted more money than Gary Lockett did. That probably means he is pricing himself out.


I love Arum. He is a very smart guy.

I would rather him fight Winky also. Not sure what happened there. If Paul came down in price I'm sure Winky would also.

I agree. The odd thing is that I think Pavlik would have an excellent chance to taking Winky apart and maybe even stopping him. I'm a huge Winky fan, but his age, combined with his recent lack of movement and the weight fluctuations seem to indicate that he is there for the taking against a very active power-puncher like Pavlik.

I'm a huge Winky fan and I'd definitely be cheering for him vs. Pavlik, but it's an uphill struggle for Winky IMO. I imagine the accolades would pour in if Pavlik stopped Winky or beat him convincingly.

[Deanrw]

What is really bugging me is Arum seems to be changing the opponent every damn week. He knows Pavlik is not PPV material so I have a feeling he is trying to nickel and dime his opponents so he does not lose his ass financially. He has to look at Pavlik as long term. He just might have to lose some money fighting Winky, to improve Pavlik's exposure to make Pavlik more marketable down the road.

[bcollins]

Man this is bullshit. You Pavlik fans know it. Winky just demands whatever the best middleweight in the world should be compensated for, a decent amount to take on a tough, risky opponent. Yes, I am sure that Winky wanted more money than Gary Lockett did. That probably means he is pricing himself out.


I love Arum. He is a very smart guy.

I wouldn't want to jeopardize the Abraham match at this point - Winky's too dangerous. If Pavlik gets past Abraham - which I don't think is a given - then Winky should be the next guy in line.

I'm not crazy about the Williams matchup, either, but at least Pavlik's staying busy til the next big fight.

[Markusdarkus]

Man this is bullshit. You Pavlik fans know it. Winky just demands whatever the best middleweight in the world should be compensated for, a decent amount to take on a tough, risky opponent. Yes, I am sure that Winky wanted more money than Gary Lockett did. That probably means he is pricing himself out.


I love Arum. He is a very smart guy.

Careful you may get neg rep!

This Pavlik characters fans are clowns he has 1 good fight and hes god he then fighs an ultra can in Lockett then a Welterweight williams and they still take time out to knock calzaghe.

[KKisser]

To tell the truth, this may not be as bad of a match-up as some are thinking. Look at Paul Williams- he does not belong at WW. I thought the primary reason for him losing to Quintana was being too weight drained going into that fight. He must have been on his diet to a T to come back and dominate like he did. That being said, if this fight happens you will never see Williams at WW again. I'm surprised he's leapfrogging JMW but there aren't any big names there he could get a match with (Oscar probably wants no part) but he was probably going to wind up a MW at some point in his career. If you look at their stats they match up pretty closely. Kelly is 1.5 inches taller, but Paul's arms are 7 inches longer. Williams only has one more fight, so experience-wise they are the same. I think Kelly wins in the long run simply because his chin is more tested. Paul hasn't been tested the same. Who knows, maybe Williams has an even sturdier chin and his power will carry up 2 divisions. He may be able to put the finishing touch on that Jermain Taylor couldn't.

was thinking the same thing. problem is if, or most of you would say after pavlik bust up williams he wouldn't get much credit.

i'd watch this, and people don't tell me you won't.

[CFH]

To tell the truth, this may not be as bad of a match-up as some are thinking. Look at Paul Williams- he does not belong at WW. I thought the primary reason for him losing to Quintana was being too weight drained going into that fight. He must have been on his diet to a T to come back and dominate like he did. That being said, if this fight happens you will never see Williams at WW again. I'm surprised he's leapfrogging JMW but there aren't any big names there he could get a match with (Oscar probably wants no part) but he was probably going to wind up a MW at some point in his career. If you look at their stats they match up pretty closely. Kelly is 1.5 inches taller, but Paul's arms are 7 inches longer. Williams only has one more fight, so experience-wise they are the same. I think Kelly wins in the long run simply because his chin is more tested. Paul hasn't been tested the same. Who knows, maybe Williams has an even sturdier chin and his power will carry up 2 divisions. He may be able to put the finishing touch on that Jermain Taylor couldn't.

was thinking the same thing. problem is if, or most of you would say after pavlik bust up williams he wouldn't get much credit.

i'd watch this, and people don't tell me you won't.

Because I'm a huge boxing fan I'd watch Klitschko fight a one-armed midget, but that doesn't mean the outcome wouldn't be a foregone conclusion.

[KKisser]

To tell the truth, this may not be as bad of a match-up as some are thinking. Look at Paul Williams- he does not belong at WW. I thought the primary reason for him losing to Quintana was being too weight drained going into that fight. He must have been on his diet to a T to come back and dominate like he did. That being said, if this fight happens you will never see Williams at WW again. I'm surprised he's leapfrogging JMW but there aren't any big names there he could get a match with (Oscar probably wants no part) but he was probably going to wind up a MW at some point in his career. If you look at their stats they match up pretty closely. Kelly is 1.5 inches taller, but Paul's arms are 7 inches longer. Williams only has one more fight, so experience-wise they are the same. I think Kelly wins in the long run simply because his chin is more tested. Paul hasn't been tested the same. Who knows, maybe Williams has an even sturdier chin and his power will carry up 2 divisions. He may be able to put the finishing touch on that Jermain Taylor couldn't.

was thinking the same thing. problem is if, or most of you would say after pavlik bust up williams he wouldn't get much credit.

i'd watch this, and people don't tell me you won't.

Because I'm a huge boxing fan I'd watch Klitschko fight a one-armed midget, but that doesn't mean the outcome wouldn't be a foregone conclusion.

you're kidding me with that comparison. am a big fan of boxing meself but i'm not going to watch a circus fight.