Joe Calzaghe???????

**Tysonbruno** · 07-21-2008 12:07 AM

Forget 21 or 22 defences against mainly has beens and bums and i said mainly take away Kessler how the hell has he become ring magazines P4P number 2 or 3

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**armin** · 07-21-2008 12:27 AM

Most fighters resumes have has beens and bums on them and yet they still manage to loose. Also I have no idea how you can criticize calzaghes comp over the past 2 years or so with the exception of manfredo in there. He became p4p #2 by beating everyone put in front of him simple as. You can hate all you want on the man, and there is always going to be people hating on cal, he's just as good as his 45-0 would indicate, which is dam near superb. Who else could he have really fought other than roy, neither of which was willing to travel, b hop never came to terms back then, and don't even mention ottke. Its always the same story and if he goes on and beats roy, which won't mean much but if he then goes on to beat pavlik as well, as I think there is a decent chance he will, people will still be talking shit.

**Tysonbruno** · 07-21-2008 12:34 AM

Ok what if joe calzaghe gets beat by a Roy jones who is well past his best?

**armin** · 07-21-2008 12:43 AM

Just isn't going to happen. If it did still wouldn't mean jack shit to me , in my eyes I'd view it as an off night for cal or maybe it be time for him to hang em up.