Come Saturday, Margaritos upsets the World

[Mar]

Good post, nice backing of your boy !! But i doubt tony winning would be and upset, it's highly likey that he does win, i've got it split 51/49 there are many scenerio where either guy could win, we'll just have to see which one plays out.

Youy know what you're right, but I had to use the word upset to get some attention from the Cotto fans .
A win would be what someone else on another post called it..."an oversight" might have been you. I seen you backing Margo and I know you are on board with the idea of my post. We will be looking like boxing gurus after Sat.

Gotcha bro...yea so far i have the slightest lean towards margarito. Cotto recently has changed my opnion of him since his chop chop, torres, days (which i know he's probably tired of hearing about) but i still am not sure how he is going to fare against the amount of heavy punches he's going to see on sat. Tony's height, reach, and riddiculous workrate may just be too much. Can't wait to see...

[Onix]

Good post, nice backing of your boy !! But i doubt tony winning would be and upset, it's highly likey that he does win, i've got it split 51/49 there are many scenerio where either guy could win, we'll just have to see which one plays out.

Youy know what you're right, but I had to use the word upset to get some attention from the Cotto fans .
A win would be what someone else on another post called it..."an oversight" might have been you. I seen you backing Margo and I know you are on board with the idea of my post. We will be looking like boxing gurus after Sat.

Gotcha bro...yea so far i have the slightest lean towards margarito. Cotto recently has changed my opnion of him since his chop chop, torres, days (which i know he's probably tired of hearing about) but i still am not sure how he is going to fare against the amount of heavy punches he's going to see on sat. Tony's height, reach, and riddiculous workrate may just be too much. Can't wait to see...

The workrate is what the jaded Cotto fans are not seeing. Who has Cotto fought that brings that man punches to a fight? Besides this is the hardest hitter Cotto has faced, a close second would be Zab and he did wobble Cotto some but the body attack got to him before he could continue his attack. I mean if Zab got him and little Ricardo Torres got him, Margo is gonna punish him.

[Gandalf]

Youy know what you're right, but I had to use the word upset to get some attention from the Cotto fans .
A win would be what someone else on another post called it..."an oversight" might have been you. I seen you backing Margo and I know you are on board with the idea of my post. We will be looking like boxing gurus after Sat.

Gotcha bro...yea so far i have the slightest lean towards margarito. Cotto recently has changed my opnion of him since his chop chop, torres, days (which i know he's probably tired of hearing about) but i still am not sure how he is going to fare against the amount of heavy punches he's going to see on sat. Tony's height, reach, and riddiculous workrate may just be too much. Can't wait to see...

The workrate is what the jaded Cotto fans are not seeing. Who has Cotto fought that brings that man punches to a fight? Besides this is the hardest hitter Cotto has faced, a close second would be Zab and he did wobble Cotto some but the body attack got to him before he could continue his attack. I mean if Zab got him and little Ricardo Torres got him, Margo is gonna punish him.

The jaded Cotto fans, yeah?

Im not a fan of either fighter...but Cotto seriously outskills the limited and overhyped Margarito. How many losses on the resume? And would you care to break it down? No....of course not. Cotto kicks him silly.

[Onix]

Gotcha bro...yea so far i have the slightest lean towards margarito. Cotto recently has changed my opnion of him since his chop chop, torres, days (which i know he's probably tired of hearing about) but i still am not sure how he is going to fare against the amount of heavy punches he's going to see on sat. Tony's height, reach, and riddiculous workrate may just be too much. Can't wait to see...

The workrate is what the jaded Cotto fans are not seeing. Who has Cotto fought that brings that man punches to a fight? Besides this is the hardest hitter Cotto has faced, a close second would be Zab and he did wobble Cotto some but the body attack got to him before he could continue his attack. I mean if Zab got him and little Ricardo Torres got him, Margo is gonna punish him.

The jaded Cotto fans, yeah?

Im not a fan of either fighter...but Cotto seriously outskills the limited and overhyped Margarito. How many losses on the resume? And would you care to break it down? No....of course not. Cotto kicks him silly.

Obviously you didnt read my post, I never said this was a blowout for Tony, I said that the Cotto fans are making it seem like a walk away victory for Cotto, and its is not. Yes, Cotto has tighter technique, but not enough to "Kick him silly" theres no way ever, EVER!!! that COtto wins by knockout.

ok so he has losses on his record, most of those came when was a kid, he started at age 15 and i'm not using that as an excuse but you're saying loses discount his ability, will, power, all of it? So I guess our current P4P king Pacquiao should be re-evaluated I mean c'mon 3 losses and 2 draws maybe he's not all he's hyped up to be huh. Perhaps we need to discount Isreal Vasquez as well 4 losses geez what a loser. You know while we're at it lets revisit Muhammed Ali 5 f'ing losses!!!

Sounds ridiculous doesnt it, I'm not comparing Margo to these fighters in terms of ability or where he will land in history. I am saying that losses on a record should not discount anything about him.

[killersheep]

I don't think Margarito winning would be a huge upset, there are many factors that heavily favor Margarito, notably reach and workrate.

As a matter of fact I think the last title fight that was rated this closely was Izzy/Rafa III.

Personally I keep going back and forth between scenarios where either could win.

[Onix]

I don't think Margarito winning would be a huge upset, there are many factors that heavily favor Margarito, notably reach and workrate.

As a matter of fact I think the last title fight that was rated this closely was Izzy/Rafa III.

Personally I keep going back and forth between scenarios where either could win.

No you're right wouldnt be an upset, but I had to lure the Cotto fans in here somehow

[Joerod]

The workrate is what the jaded Cotto fans are not seeing. Who has Cotto fought that brings that man punches to a fight? Besides this is the hardest hitter Cotto has faced, a close second would be Zab and he did wobble Cotto some but the body attack got to him before he could continue his attack. I mean if Zab got him and little Ricardo Torres got him, Margo is gonna punish him.

The jaded Cotto fans, yeah?

Im not a fan of either fighter...but Cotto seriously outskills the limited and overhyped Margarito. How many losses on the resume? And would you care to break it down? No....of course not. Cotto kicks him silly.

Obviously you didnt read my post, I never said this was a blowout for Tony, I said that the Cotto fans are making it seem like a walk away victory for Cotto, and its is not. Yes, Cotto has tighter technique, but not enough to "Kick him silly" theres no way ever, EVER!!! that COtto wins by knockout.

ok so he has losses on his record, most of those came when was a kid, he started at age 15 and i'm not using that as an excuse but you're saying loses discount his ability, will, power, all of it? So I guess our current P4P king Pacquiao should be re-evaluated I mean c'mon 3 losses and 2 draws maybe he's not all he's hyped up to be huh. Perhaps we need to discount Isreal Vasquez as well 4 losses geez what a loser. You know while we're at it lets revisit Muhammed Ali 5 f'ing losses!!!

Sounds ridiculous doesnt it, I'm not comparing Margo to these fighters in terms of ability or where he will land in history. I am saying that losses on a record should not discount anything about him.

I must say I haven't been on the board as much lately, but I don't remember one true Cotto fan on here saying this fight will be a walk in the park for him. In reality AM is probably P4P the toughest fighter in the world, and will probably be Cotto's most challenging fight to date, if not second to Mosley.

Remember, Boxing is a sport, and heart can only get you so far in the ring. I expect Cotto to win on actual tangibles like speed, power, defense, and overall, just being a more skilled fighter. I'm not saying this will be an easy fight for Cotto just saying that I expect him to win, and if he doesn't I'll be happy for Margarito because he deserves it.

[Onix]

The jaded Cotto fans, yeah?

Im not a fan of either fighter...but Cotto seriously outskills the limited and overhyped Margarito. How many losses on the resume? And would you care to break it down? No....of course not. Cotto kicks him silly.

Obviously you didnt read my post, I never said this was a blowout for Tony, I said that the Cotto fans are making it seem like a walk away victory for Cotto, and its is not. Yes, Cotto has tighter technique, but not enough to "Kick him silly" theres no way ever, EVER!!! that COtto wins by knockout.

ok so he has losses on his record, most of those came when was a kid, he started at age 15 and i'm not using that as an excuse but you're saying loses discount his ability, will, power, all of it? So I guess our current P4P king Pacquiao should be re-evaluated I mean c'mon 3 losses and 2 draws maybe he's not all he's hyped up to be huh. Perhaps we need to discount Isreal Vasquez as well 4 losses geez what a loser. You know while we're at it lets revisit Muhammed Ali 5 f'ing losses!!!

Sounds ridiculous doesnt it, I'm not comparing Margo to these fighters in terms of ability or where he will land in history. I am saying that losses on a record should not discount anything about him.

I must say I haven't been on the board as much lately, but I don't remember one true Cotto fan on here saying this fight will be a walk in the park for him. In reality AM is probably P4P the toughest fighter in the world, and will probably be Cotto's most challenging fight to date, if not second to Mosley.

Remember, Boxing is a sport, and heart can only get you so far in the ring. I expect Cotto to win on actual tangibles like speed, power, defense, and overall, just being a more skilled fighter. I'm not saying this will be an easy fight for Cotto just saying that I expect him to win, and if he doesn't I'll be happy for Margarito because he deserves it.

Well said, see thats all I been asking for an objective view of the fight.

[Julius Rain]

WAR COTTO WAR!!!!!!!


anybody else get an erection thinking about this saturday?

[LEGION]

WAR COTTO WAR!!!!!!!


anybody else get an erection thinking about this saturday?

Not quite that excited about it, but maybe I just need some Cialis or something

I'm just thankful for this fight; no matter who wins. I've been a big fan of Margarito for a long time and hope he wins, but the better man will prevail and since I like both I'll be happy either way. Just glad it's happening.

I just hope if Tony loses that all the haters don't come out saying what a journeyman gatekeeper he has been reduced to.

[JT Rock]

but Cotto seriously outskills the limited and overhyped Margarito. How many losses on the resume? And would you care to break it down? No....of course not. Cotto kicks him silly.

I'll be your huckleberry Miles

You realize Margarito has been a pro since 15 years old right? he has 2 losses when he was still a teenager fighting full grown men, the 2nd Santos fight was at 154 and was stopped because of a cut on his eyebrow so it was far from a beatdown and a foregone conclusion he would have lost.. And he lost to Williams because he started to late, fair play to Williams since he is one of my favorite fighters but if that was a 15 round fight Tony would have won since he cleary was fresh as a daisy at the end of the 12th round and had the momentum...

Who has seen Tony ever in trouble or seriously wobbled in a fight... Tony has fought more top ten Ring ranked Welters over the past few years.. He is one of the toughest hard grizzled bastards in the sport for years and has a heart like Holyfield just a straightforward punching machine with a sadistic joy of dishing and receiving pain..., Margarito has the edge in experience and battling through adversity, remember everyone wrote him off to Journey man after the Williams fight and he picked himself up off the ground to claw right back in the thick of it a year later and get his shot at greatness, he isin't gonna let Cotto steal his glory, this win will put Tony in a position to be in the Hall Of Fame..... Margarito will stop him late

[Onix]

Gotcha bro...yea so far i have the slightest lean towards margarito. Cotto recently has changed my opnion of him since his chop chop, torres, days (which i know he's probably tired of hearing about) but i still am not sure how he is going to fare against the amount of heavy punches he's going to see on sat. Tony's height, reach, and riddiculous workrate may just be too much. Can't wait to see...

The workrate is what the jaded Cotto fans are not seeing. Who has Cotto fought that brings that man punches to a fight? Besides this is the hardest hitter Cotto has faced, a close second would be Zab and he did wobble Cotto some but the body attack got to him before he could continue his attack. I mean if Zab got him and little Ricardo Torres got him, Margo is gonna punish him.

The jaded Cotto fans, yeah?

Im not a fan of either fighter...but Cotto seriously outskills the limited and overhyped Margarito. How many losses on the resume? And would you care to break it down? No....of course not. Cotto kicks him silly.

Heres your breakdown...courtesy of HBO Boxing.

...looking at Margarito's record more closely, and it became apparent why he had two losses. "They came before he was 19," Diaz said. "He was a child fighting men."

In his sixth fight at age 16, Margarito lost to Victor Lozoya, who was three years older. When Margarito was 18, his second loss was handed to him by an unbeaten 28-year-old named Larry Dixon. Jones, who was also 28, gave Margarito his third loss...

Goes on to say about the Santos fight being stopped by cuts. So I only see a legitimate loss to Williams for wahtever the reason.