Come Saturday, Margaritos upsets the World

[Onix]

I felt so passionate about this one had to start my own thread...

Hearing all the Tony haters is getting old, even if (a big if) he loses he is gonna die in that ring. This man has been waiting and been ducked for a long time and you think he's gonna go in there and just roll over.

Everyone in here must be a Rocky fan, and I can already see Tony telling his wife/trainer/mother/passed away brother "To beat me, he's gonna have to kill me, and to do that he's gonna have to be willing to die himself"...was Rocky really Mexican and not Italian? Cuz that has Mexican fighter written all over it.

I dont doubt Cotto is willing to war, he has been in some, but I dont know he's willing to die. The countdown said it perfectly, between Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters and fans the big differance is that Puerto Ricans are allowed to box alittle more...let me translate that for you, when Tony takes Cotto's shots and keeps moving forward, Cotto will run/box (ill use those interchangeably), hell Cotto ran against Mosley an old Mosley, a Mosley that wanted nothing to do with Antonio Margarito!

Yes Cotto can out box Margo, but try boxing when you have a Tornado of well over 1000 punches a fight after you. Shit the most specialized, highly trained, super killers in any armed forces would succumb to shear volume of enemies after them, why do you think this will be different, ya Cotto will out box him, but Tony will outwork him. Tony has one of the highest stamina levels in the WW division. His production/workrate is wayyyyyy out of the norm for a Cotto opponent.

Cotto's higher level of boxing technique and ability will allow him to land many shots to the body and face, granted. What is he gonna do when he faces a man who takes bombs to the grill (Cintron) and laughs at him. Could he have stood up to those bombs? Could he have walked through it and f***ing laughed!

Yes Yes we're all mystified by the strong silent cotto who never smiles, keeps his composure in every situation, pushes the smaller man around and keeps moving forward, very imressive. BE afraid of the guy that laughs in your face, beats your ass, and begs you to get up so he can continue to whoop your ass some more.

Make no doubt about it my friends we are in for a classic, and I give all the respect in the world to Cotto for his ability, athleticism, and dedication to his craft he is one of my favorite fighters, and with this post I am not saying that Tony has it in the bag or anything close to that, a part of me is afraid for Saturday to get here. We all seen the soft underbelly of Antonio Margarito on the Countdown, and no matter how badass you are, you must have felt his pain over the loss of his brother, and if he doesnt win this weekend who knows what that might do to him, a loss here would be hard, so I worry for him.

But do not discount Tony because he will die in there. He will put it all out there for himself, his family, his country, and his fans and even if he doesnt pull it off this weekend, he will show more heart in defeat than Cotto can in Victory. He will have more fans than ever before. I know many of you know this to be true, Margo fans or not. He's gonna shock many, including his own fans and followers. Spread some rep if you believe it too. Not for me, but just to back up my man Margo.

Oh and when all you haters/non-believers change your minds, theres plenty of room on this band wagon, welcome.

[Mar]

Good post, nice backing of your boy !! But i doubt tony winning would be and upset, it's highly likey that he does win, i've got it split 51/49 there are many scenerio where either guy could win, we'll just have to see which one plays out. I'd be really interested to see your reaction if god forbid tony looses, that's when the real fans show up to post.

[Onix]

Good post, nice backing of your boy !! But i doubt tony winning would be and upset, it's highly likey that he does win, i've got it split 51/49 there are many scenerio where either guy could win, we'll just have to see which one plays out.

Youy know what you're right, but I had to use the word upset to get some attention from the Cotto fans .
A win would be what someone else on another post called it..."an oversight" might have been you. I seen you backing Margo and I know you are on board with the idea of my post. We will be looking like boxing gurus after Sat.

[Gandalf]

Margarito is really not that good. Cotto will decision him handily.

Should be some fun moments though.

[Mar]

Good post, nice backing of your boy !! But i doubt tony winning would be and upset, it's highly likey that he does win, i've got it split 51/49 there are many scenerio where either guy could win, we'll just have to see which one plays out.

Youy know what you're right, but I had to use the word upset to get some attention from the Cotto fans .
A win would be what someone else on another post called it..."an oversight" might have been you. I seen you backing Margo and I know you are on board with the idea of my post. We will be looking like boxing gurus after Sat.

Gotcha bro...yea so far i have the slightest lean towards margarito. Cotto recently has changed my opnion of him since his chop chop, torres, days (which i know he's probably tired of hearing about) but i still am not sure how he is going to fare against the amount of heavy punches he's going to see on sat. Tony's height, reach, and riddiculous workrate may just be too much. Can't wait to see...

[Onix]

Good post, nice backing of your boy !! But i doubt tony winning would be and upset, it's highly likey that he does win, i've got it split 51/49 there are many scenerio where either guy could win, we'll just have to see which one plays out.

Youy know what you're right, but I had to use the word upset to get some attention from the Cotto fans .
A win would be what someone else on another post called it..."an oversight" might have been you. I seen you backing Margo and I know you are on board with the idea of my post. We will be looking like boxing gurus after Sat.

Gotcha bro...yea so far i have the slightest lean towards margarito. Cotto recently has changed my opnion of him since his chop chop, torres, days (which i know he's probably tired of hearing about) but i still am not sure how he is going to fare against the amount of heavy punches he's going to see on sat. Tony's height, reach, and riddiculous workrate may just be too much. Can't wait to see...

The workrate is what the jaded Cotto fans are not seeing. Who has Cotto fought that brings that man punches to a fight? Besides this is the hardest hitter Cotto has faced, a close second would be Zab and he did wobble Cotto some but the body attack got to him before he could continue his attack. I mean if Zab got him and little Ricardo Torres got him, Margo is gonna punish him.

[Gandalf]

Youy know what you're right, but I had to use the word upset to get some attention from the Cotto fans .
A win would be what someone else on another post called it..."an oversight" might have been you. I seen you backing Margo and I know you are on board with the idea of my post. We will be looking like boxing gurus after Sat.

Gotcha bro...yea so far i have the slightest lean towards margarito. Cotto recently has changed my opnion of him since his chop chop, torres, days (which i know he's probably tired of hearing about) but i still am not sure how he is going to fare against the amount of heavy punches he's going to see on sat. Tony's height, reach, and riddiculous workrate may just be too much. Can't wait to see...

The workrate is what the jaded Cotto fans are not seeing. Who has Cotto fought that brings that man punches to a fight? Besides this is the hardest hitter Cotto has faced, a close second would be Zab and he did wobble Cotto some but the body attack got to him before he could continue his attack. I mean if Zab got him and little Ricardo Torres got him, Margo is gonna punish him.

The jaded Cotto fans, yeah?

Im not a fan of either fighter...but Cotto seriously outskills the limited and overhyped Margarito. How many losses on the resume? And would you care to break it down? No....of course not. Cotto kicks him silly.

[Onix]

Gotcha bro...yea so far i have the slightest lean towards margarito. Cotto recently has changed my opnion of him since his chop chop, torres, days (which i know he's probably tired of hearing about) but i still am not sure how he is going to fare against the amount of heavy punches he's going to see on sat. Tony's height, reach, and riddiculous workrate may just be too much. Can't wait to see...

The workrate is what the jaded Cotto fans are not seeing. Who has Cotto fought that brings that man punches to a fight? Besides this is the hardest hitter Cotto has faced, a close second would be Zab and he did wobble Cotto some but the body attack got to him before he could continue his attack. I mean if Zab got him and little Ricardo Torres got him, Margo is gonna punish him.

The jaded Cotto fans, yeah?

Im not a fan of either fighter...but Cotto seriously outskills the limited and overhyped Margarito. How many losses on the resume? And would you care to break it down? No....of course not. Cotto kicks him silly.

Obviously you didnt read my post, I never said this was a blowout for Tony, I said that the Cotto fans are making it seem like a walk away victory for Cotto, and its is not. Yes, Cotto has tighter technique, but not enough to "Kick him silly" theres no way ever, EVER!!! that COtto wins by knockout.

ok so he has losses on his record, most of those came when was a kid, he started at age 15 and i'm not using that as an excuse but you're saying loses discount his ability, will, power, all of it? So I guess our current P4P king Pacquiao should be re-evaluated I mean c'mon 3 losses and 2 draws maybe he's not all he's hyped up to be huh. Perhaps we need to discount Isreal Vasquez as well 4 losses geez what a loser. You know while we're at it lets revisit Muhammed Ali 5 f'ing losses!!!

Sounds ridiculous doesnt it, I'm not comparing Margo to these fighters in terms of ability or where he will land in history. I am saying that losses on a record should not discount anything about him.

[killersheep]

I don't think Margarito winning would be a huge upset, there are many factors that heavily favor Margarito, notably reach and workrate.

As a matter of fact I think the last title fight that was rated this closely was Izzy/Rafa III.

Personally I keep going back and forth between scenarios where either could win.

[Onix]

I don't think Margarito winning would be a huge upset, there are many factors that heavily favor Margarito, notably reach and workrate.

As a matter of fact I think the last title fight that was rated this closely was Izzy/Rafa III.

Personally I keep going back and forth between scenarios where either could win.

No you're right wouldnt be an upset, but I had to lure the Cotto fans in here somehow

[Joerod]

The workrate is what the jaded Cotto fans are not seeing. Who has Cotto fought that brings that man punches to a fight? Besides this is the hardest hitter Cotto has faced, a close second would be Zab and he did wobble Cotto some but the body attack got to him before he could continue his attack. I mean if Zab got him and little Ricardo Torres got him, Margo is gonna punish him.

The jaded Cotto fans, yeah?

Im not a fan of either fighter...but Cotto seriously outskills the limited and overhyped Margarito. How many losses on the resume? And would you care to break it down? No....of course not. Cotto kicks him silly.

Obviously you didnt read my post, I never said this was a blowout for Tony, I said that the Cotto fans are making it seem like a walk away victory for Cotto, and its is not. Yes, Cotto has tighter technique, but not enough to "Kick him silly" theres no way ever, EVER!!! that COtto wins by knockout.

ok so he has losses on his record, most of those came when was a kid, he started at age 15 and i'm not using that as an excuse but you're saying loses discount his ability, will, power, all of it? So I guess our current P4P king Pacquiao should be re-evaluated I mean c'mon 3 losses and 2 draws maybe he's not all he's hyped up to be huh. Perhaps we need to discount Isreal Vasquez as well 4 losses geez what a loser. You know while we're at it lets revisit Muhammed Ali 5 f'ing losses!!!

Sounds ridiculous doesnt it, I'm not comparing Margo to these fighters in terms of ability or where he will land in history. I am saying that losses on a record should not discount anything about him.

I must say I haven't been on the board as much lately, but I don't remember one true Cotto fan on here saying this fight will be a walk in the park for him. In reality AM is probably P4P the toughest fighter in the world, and will probably be Cotto's most challenging fight to date, if not second to Mosley.

Remember, Boxing is a sport, and heart can only get you so far in the ring. I expect Cotto to win on actual tangibles like speed, power, defense, and overall, just being a more skilled fighter. I'm not saying this will be an easy fight for Cotto just saying that I expect him to win, and if he doesn't I'll be happy for Margarito because he deserves it.

[Onix]

The jaded Cotto fans, yeah?

Im not a fan of either fighter...but Cotto seriously outskills the limited and overhyped Margarito. How many losses on the resume? And would you care to break it down? No....of course not. Cotto kicks him silly.

Obviously you didnt read my post, I never said this was a blowout for Tony, I said that the Cotto fans are making it seem like a walk away victory for Cotto, and its is not. Yes, Cotto has tighter technique, but not enough to "Kick him silly" theres no way ever, EVER!!! that COtto wins by knockout.

ok so he has losses on his record, most of those came when was a kid, he started at age 15 and i'm not using that as an excuse but you're saying loses discount his ability, will, power, all of it? So I guess our current P4P king Pacquiao should be re-evaluated I mean c'mon 3 losses and 2 draws maybe he's not all he's hyped up to be huh. Perhaps we need to discount Isreal Vasquez as well 4 losses geez what a loser. You know while we're at it lets revisit Muhammed Ali 5 f'ing losses!!!

Sounds ridiculous doesnt it, I'm not comparing Margo to these fighters in terms of ability or where he will land in history. I am saying that losses on a record should not discount anything about him.

I must say I haven't been on the board as much lately, but I don't remember one true Cotto fan on here saying this fight will be a walk in the park for him. In reality AM is probably P4P the toughest fighter in the world, and will probably be Cotto's most challenging fight to date, if not second to Mosley.

Remember, Boxing is a sport, and heart can only get you so far in the ring. I expect Cotto to win on actual tangibles like speed, power, defense, and overall, just being a more skilled fighter. I'm not saying this will be an easy fight for Cotto just saying that I expect him to win, and if he doesn't I'll be happy for Margarito because he deserves it.

Well said, see thats all I been asking for an objective view of the fight.

[Julius Rain]

WAR COTTO WAR!!!!!!!


anybody else get an erection thinking about this saturday?

[LEGION]

WAR COTTO WAR!!!!!!!


anybody else get an erection thinking about this saturday?

Not quite that excited about it, but maybe I just need some Cialis or something

I'm just thankful for this fight; no matter who wins. I've been a big fan of Margarito for a long time and hope he wins, but the better man will prevail and since I like both I'll be happy either way. Just glad it's happening.

I just hope if Tony loses that all the haters don't come out saying what a journeyman gatekeeper he has been reduced to.

[Onix]

WAR COTTO WAR!!!!!!!


anybody else get an erection thinking about this saturday?

Not quite that excited about it, but maybe I just need some Cialis or something

I'm just thankful for this fight; no matter who wins. I've been a big fan of Margarito for a long time and hope he wins, but the better man will prevail and since I like both I'll be happy either way. Just glad it's happening.

I just hope if Tony loses that all the haters don't come out saying what a journeyman gatekeeper he has been reduced to.

Exactly!!!