Are people honestly counting Hopkins out?

[Taeth]

Hopkins aim was to spoil, Joe was the one making the fight and Hopkins pathetic low blow claims and play acting all went againsed him, Joe won an awkward fight. Any judge favouring a cheat and a spoiler in a close fight needs a slap.

I agree with what you said about Pavlik, I don't think he has the experience to adapt to all the spoiling Hopkins is gonna depend on to win.

Stop humping Joe's leg, Hopkins made Joe look horrible.

I still don't see everyone argument, people claimed that Calzaghe, Wright, Taylor would all do out work Hopkins, but he stop every one of them from producing an effective offense, Technically Pavlik isn't on any of their levels except Taylor, and I don't how Pavlik will be able to do anything different than these guys, He doesn't bring anything new to the table except punching power, but you can't hurt what you can't hit.

I'm agreeing with you more then you think. I by no means think Taylor is going to look good and I expect a fight just like the one with Wright, Taylor and Calzaghe, with it being very close. And again, I thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe too. I just think that due to his workrate and great stamina that he'll be able to edge a very close decision like the others did. That's not counting Hopkins out, and I think it's foolish of people to slam this fight. There is literally no one better for Pavlik to face right now.

This is assuming Pavlik is as good as Calzaghe or Wright. Taylor was able to hang in there with Hopkins because he is a good athlete with good reflexes. HIs second fight with Pavlik showed that he was at least as good as Pavlik, maybe not as active of a puncher, but he was on the same level as Pavlik. Against Hopkins Taylor's speed and athleticism stook out because thats the kind of fight Hopkins fights, Taylor is way better coming forward than he is going backwards, and Pavlik made Taylor fight backwards. THat being said at this point Hopkins is a lot better going backwards then Taylor is, or anyone left in the sport. THat means Pavlik is coming forward against maybe the best counterpuncher in the sport with enough punching power to knock Calzaghe down, and stun him a couple of times, and Joe is a better athlete then Pavlik, he has faster feet which means more pressure, and he has better timing, accuracy, ring intelligence, etc.