Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer

[XaduBoxer]

30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.

The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.

I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...

You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?

"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.

On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "

Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...

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[SweetPea]

"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.

Losing to Floyd didn't indicate that Oscar was on a steady decline. In fact, I think most people thought Floyd would win in more convincing fashion than he actually did. Oscar was very competitive in that fight, more competitive than most experts thought he would be.

More importantly, Oscar's popularity (which is what effects purse splits) is not in decline. Oscar-Floyd broke all records, and then Oscar sold out a soccer stadium against a no-name in Forbes. And because this is being billed as Oscar's last fight, he will draw a huge audience again.

On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "

And how does this make Pacquiao any different than Floyd at the time of the Oscar fight last year? Floyd had risen thru 4 weight classes and was considered the #1 PFP fighter in the world. You label Pacquiao as the "most exciting boxer," yet that exciting style has not translated into PPV buys, because there are other factors that effect marketability besides a fighter's exciting style.

For example, a fighter like Floyd gets labeled as "boring", especially compared to someone like Pacquiao, but Floyd is still more marketable than Manny in a megafight because Floyd can do a much better job of promoting the fight to a US audience.

Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...

But Oscar isn't just 60 or 65% of the draw, he's more than that. Look at the history of what Oscar has done in terms of PPV buys, and look at Pacquiao's history. Those numbers will show you that in an Oscar-Pacquiao fight, Oscar would be responsible for at least 70% of the people paying $50 to order the fight on PPV.

[Spicoli]

30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.

The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.

I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...

You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?

"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.

On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "

Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...

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Honestly,thats pretty Subjective for a quoted Pac set??And where do "Factors" and "IMO" meet up?

Oscar owns the traveling circus.....Pac is looking for a front row seat ticket.

[XaduBoxer]

The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.

I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...

You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?

"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.

On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "

Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...

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Honestly,thats pretty Subjective for a quoted Pac set??And where do "Factors" and "IMO" meet up?

Oscar owns the traveling circus.....Pac is looking for a front row seat ticket.

Why subjective when it's all facts:

- Hoya got beat by PBF
- Hoya marked by Forbes in a sleeper fight

- PAC got a 130 belt
- PAC considered as one of the most exciting boxers around
- PAC got a 135 belt
- PAC considered as no.1 P4P best boxer

Hoya is on the decline while PAC still on the rise. It's all fact.

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[SweetPea]

It should also be pointed out that last March, when Pacquiao rematched Marquez in what was viewed going in as a very evenly-matched fight, Pacquiao made 5 million, while Marquez only made 1.5 million. If my math is correct, that's a 71/29 split in favor of Pacquiao. How unfair!!!

See... it works both ways.

[XaduBoxer]

It should also be pointed out that last March, when Pacquiao rematched Marquez in what was viewed going in as a very evenly-matched fight, Pacquiao made 5 million, while Marquez only made 1.5 million. If my math is correct, that's a 71/29 split in favor of Pacquiao. How unfair!!!

See... it works both ways.

Marquez gave in because he knew he can't draw flies... PAC dumps Oscar's 70-30 split offer since he knows he's worth more than 30% share in an Oscar fight...

BTW, I guess your math is not correct but I don't really care coz we don't know really the actual purse split in PAC-JMM. I'm not even sure if PAC got $5M in that fight...

[SweetPea]

Marquez gave in because he knew he can't draw flies...

Marquez gave in because the Pacquiao rematch was the fight he really wanted, and because the 1.5 million was more than he would make in any other fight. Pacquiao is facing a similar decision.

PAC dumps Oscar's 70-30 split offer since he knows he's worth more than 30% share in an Oscar fight...

Again, I would ask you to look at the historical drawing power of Oscar and Pacquiao (specifically their track records with PPV buys) and then explain how Manny is worth more than 30% if he fights Oscar.

[XaduBoxer]

Again, I would ask you to look at the historical drawing power of Oscar and Pacquiao (specifically their track records with PPV buys) and then explain how Manny is worth more than 30% if he fights Oscar.

I already explained why PAC worth more than 30%, the same percentage PBF got when he fought Oscar.

Oscar said PAC not worth more than PBF... I already presented why PAC is worth more than what PBF got. Since that PBF-Hoya fight, Oscar is on a decline while PAC is still on steady rise...

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[Addicted to_boxing]

It should also be pointed out that last March, when Pacquiao rematched Marquez in what was viewed going in as a very evenly-matched fight, Pacquiao made 5 million, while Marquez only made 1.5 million. If my math is correct, that's a 71/29 split in favor of Pacquiao. How unfair!!!

See... it works both ways.

Marquez gave in because he knew he can't draw flies... PAC dumps Oscar's 70-30 split offer since he knows he's worth more than 30% share in an Oscar fight...

BTW, I guess your math is not correct but I don't really care coz we don't know really the actual purse split in PAC-JMM. I'm not even sure if PAC got $5M in that fight...

Stop your ignorant pinoy bias not all the viewers tuned in to view PAC they tuned in to see if the hype could match the 1st fight. Pac has yet to show he has the cross over appeal to conquer the white and latin viewers. I love seeing Pac a lot but no way in hell will I pay $60 unless it is against JMM or ODLH ($40 vs Juan Diaz or Casamayor ). I would not pay a cent to see him fight Soto, Valero , Guzman) A Hatton fight sells big in 2 countries only (HBO /Showime material). Why not create a poll to see what fights those would pay to see Pac and their ethnicity and you will see it is the Philippino boxing fan for the most part that would pay to see Pac fight BOZO, Barney or Bambi .........

[Spicoli]

Well I guess that solves that Consider the source IMO Rooster.Ask yourself this....who can Pac fight at current reasonable weight and make what he would make here in so many area's as Name ,cred,etc? Forget all of the haggling and parlor tricks,DLH carries the check book as well as the name even at this late twilight stage and if Manny & camp really want this to come off,stop playing lawyer and agree to terms.Its pretty obvious who needs who in this status grab!!

[XaduBoxer]

Well I guess that solves that Consider the source IMO Rooster.Ask yourself this....who can Pac fight at current reasonable weight and make what he would make here in so many area's as Name ,cred,etc? Forget all of the haggling and parlor tricks,DLH carries the check book as well as the name even at this late twilight stage and if Manny & camp really want this to come off,stop playing lawyer and agree to terms.Its pretty obvious who needs who in this status grab!!

PAC just want to try his luck in the Hoya sweepstakes and at the same time wanting 40% share of the purse. PAC has an ace for he knows he's the biggest money fight out there for Hoya besides PBF.

If Hoya will not give his 40% (I think 35% will do) demand then PAC will just be back to his happy ways fighting the Sotos, Valeros, Hattons, Campbells, Casamayors, Marquezes, Diazes, Katsidis, Guzmans, etc.

Remember PAC dumped Oscar before when Oscar tried to be his promoter. PAC dumped Oscar again since Oscar didn't give his fair share...

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[SweetPea]

PAC just want to try his luck in the Hoya sweepstakes and at the same time wanting 40% share of the purse. PAC has an ace for he knows he's the biggest money fight out there for Hoya besides PBF.

If Hoya will not give his 40% (I think 35% will do) demand then PAC will just be back to his happy ways fighting the Sotos, Valeros, Hattons, Campbells, Casamayors, Marquezes, Diazes, Katsidis, Guzmans, etc.

And Pacquiao has every right to go that route if he so chooses. I don't think anyone here is disputing Pacquiao's right to ask for 40%, and I don't think anyone is saying Pacquiao doesn't have the right to fight the Sotos of the world if that's what he wants.

We're just saying that Oscar is well within his rights to demand 70/30.

[XaduBoxer]

PAC just want to try his luck in the Hoya sweepstakes and at the same time wanting 40% share of the purse. PAC has an ace for he knows he's the biggest money fight out there for Hoya besides PBF.

If Hoya will not give his 40% (I think 35% will do) demand then PAC will just be back to his happy ways fighting the Sotos, Valeros, Hattons, Campbells, Casamayors, Marquezes, Diazes, Katsidis, Guzmans, etc.

And Pacquiao has every right to go that route if he so chooses. I don't think anyone here is disputing Pacquiao's right to ask for 40%, and I don't think anyone is saying Pacquiao doesn't have the right to fight the Sotos of the world if that's what he wants.

We're just saying that Oscar is well within his rights to demand 70/30.

Yeah, everybody has their own rights... This is already a dead issue since PAC already dumped Oscar's 70-30 offer... The negotiations is now considered dead unless somebody will make a compromise...

We'll just wait and see...
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