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Seen as Haye porbably has the hardest P4P punch people will talk about it. As for being able to knock a building down... no, but no-one takes a flush Haymaker no-one.
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Re: Haye 16st 9lbs
Seen as Haye porbably has the hardest P4P punch people will talk about it. As for being able to knock a building down... no, but no-one takes a flush Haymaker no-one.
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Carl Thopson took everything Haye could throw at him when he was 40.
Chris Eubank, a former middle weight dropped Thompson and held back, he was also outboxing him and ahead on points before the ref pulled him out because of a swollen eye in the 10th of their rematch.
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I agree that their will be times when Haye can't floor his opponent but he has developed since that Thompon fightBullshiit
Carl Thopson took everything Haye could throw at him when he was 40.
Chris Eubank, a former middle weight dropped Thompson and held back, he was also outboxing him and ahead on points before the ref pulled him out because of a swollen eye in the 10th of their rematch.
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Carl Thopson took everything Haye could throw at him when he was 40.
Chris Eubank, a former middle weight dropped Thompson and held back, he was also outboxing him and ahead on points before the ref pulled him out because of a swollen eye in the 10th of their rematch.
Haye is a much better and powerful puncher now.
And im not sure Thompson actually took a flush shot he rolled and blocked.
Time will tell that im right.
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Carl Thopson took everything Haye could throw at him when he was 40.
Chris Eubank, a former middle weight dropped Thompson and held back, he was also outboxing him and ahead on points before the ref pulled him out because of a swollen eye in the 10th of their rematch.
Eubank wasn't an 11 fight novice that ran out of gas through inexperience.
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Seen as Haye porbably has the hardest P4P punch people will talk about it. As for being able to knock a building down... no, but no-one takes a flush Haymaker no-one.
IN THE CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION !!!
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Exactly. Wlad has sparked heavyweights and made it look easy. The cruiserweight division is water thin when compared to the heavies, but apparently Haye has descended from the heavens to deliver us all. Compare Wlad's best opponent against Haye's and reconcile how Haye is the savior of anything in a weight class he's fought in exactly once. Wlad takes shite because he makes it look easy; Haye gets credit for being a natural heavy who sweated down to cruiser to pick off an even easier division.
Seen as Haye porbably has the hardest P4P punch people will talk about it. As for being able to knock a building down... no, but no-one takes a flush Haymaker no-one.
IN THE CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION !!!
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I said P4P.
Seen as Haye porbably has the hardest P4P punch people will talk about it. As for being able to knock a building down... no, but no-one takes a flush Haymaker no-one.
IN THE CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION !!!
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I understand you said P4P sorry for the mix up but I was really looking at your last sentence, but n-o one takes a flush Haymaker no-one. Than I said In the cruiserweight division.I said P4P.
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Well said...People tend to forget that a punch from a bonafied HW fighter (225-240lbs)...That can crack just a bit is one hell of a thing to absorb.....The whole with speed comes power theory has its limits.....
Seen as Haye porbably has the hardest P4P punch people will talk about it. As for being able to knock a building down... no, but no-one takes a flush Haymaker no-one.
IN THE CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION !!!
It is not that speed makes you hit harder it is the fact that you can not prepare for what you can not see coming.....Making the punch that you don't see having a higher effect...With that being said....
At HW you need to have HW power to keep that theory intact....
A shot from a guy who weighs 240lbs at full force will rock you a hell of a lot harder then a guy who is 195-200lbs normally....
Also Haye (And his followers) need to remember that Haye has never felt REAL: HW power and Wlad certainly has REAL HW power.....
Manny will make a game plan suited for Haye if it ever happens...All Wlad has to do is follow it....Wlad is his own worst enemy at times because he anticipates punches or gets punch shy a bit.....That is a no no....But if Wlad does not think he has anything to fear from Hayes shots then he will stand up and fight him...I don't care how much the "Hayemaker" is primed to land if he stands in front of Wlad for one exchange he will find out why he was the cruiserweight chamiopn and not the HW champ in the first place.....
After he wins the belt who does he have to face?.....Are we going to pretend he can stand up to the power of Peter, McCline, even the aging slow punching David Tua would spark him if he lands......
Haye is no Evander Holyfield....He is not the next great HW
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Whether Haye is the next great heavyweight or not can only be told by time but your talking as though 240lbs is the weight that HWs hardest punchers weighed..... Your wrong.Well said...People tend to forget that a punch from a bonafied HW fighter (225-240lbs)...That can crack just a bit is one hell of a thing to absorb.....The whole with speed comes power theory has its limits.....
IN THE CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION !!!
It is not that speed makes you hit harder it is the fact that you can not prepare for what you can not see coming.....Making the punch that you don't see having a higher effect...With that being said....
At HW you need to have HW power to keep that theory intact....
A shot from a guy who weighs 240lbs at full force will rock you a hell of a lot harder then a guy who is 195-200lbs normally....
Also Haye (And his followers) need to remember that Haye has never felt REAL: HW power and Wlad certainly has REAL HW power.....
Manny will make a game plan suited for Haye if it ever happens...All Wlad has to do is follow it....Wlad is his own worst enemy at times because he anticipates punches or gets punch shy a bit.....That is a no no....But if Wlad does not think he has anything to fear from Hayes shots then he will stand up and fight him...I don't care how much the "Hayemaker" is primed to land if he stands in front of Wlad for one exchange he will find out why he was the cruiserweight chamiopn and not the HW champ in the first place.....
After he wins the belt who does he have to face?.....Are we going to pretend he can stand up to the power of Peter, McCline, even the aging slow punching David Tua would spark him if he lands......
Haye is no Evander Holyfield....He is not the next great HW
Prime Tyson- 215lbs-220lbs
Prime Foreman- 218lbs-230lbs
Prime Shavers- 210lbs-215lbs
Prime Louis- 198lbs-210lbs
Thats just a few but these four could be argued as being the hardest punchers ever and they prove my point that you don't have to be 240lbs to be a great puncher. Punching has a technique to it and once you start getting too heavy you cannot put the same kind of snap into a punch to cause the kind of damage that the men i mentioned used to do.
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Whether Haye is the next great heavyweight or not can only be told by time but your talking as though 240lbs is the weight that HWs hardest punchers weighed..... Your wrong.Well said...People tend to forget that a punch from a bonafied HW fighter (225-240lbs)...That can crack just a bit is one hell of a thing to absorb.....The whole with speed comes power theory has its limits.....
It is not that speed makes you hit harder it is the fact that you can not prepare for what you can not see coming.....Making the punch that you don't see having a higher effect...With that being said....
At HW you need to have HW power to keep that theory intact....
A shot from a guy who weighs 240lbs at full force will rock you a hell of a lot harder then a guy who is 195-200lbs normally....
Also Haye (And his followers) need to remember that Haye has never felt REAL: HW power and Wlad certainly has REAL HW power.....
Manny will make a game plan suited for Haye if it ever happens...All Wlad has to do is follow it....Wlad is his own worst enemy at times because he anticipates punches or gets punch shy a bit.....That is a no no....But if Wlad does not think he has anything to fear from Hayes shots then he will stand up and fight him...I don't care how much the "Hayemaker" is primed to land if he stands in front of Wlad for one exchange he will find out why he was the cruiserweight chamiopn and not the HW champ in the first place.....
After he wins the belt who does he have to face?.....Are we going to pretend he can stand up to the power of Peter, McCline, even the aging slow punching David Tua would spark him if he lands......
Haye is no Evander Holyfield....He is not the next great HW
Prime Tyson- 215lbs-220lbs
Prime Foreman- 218lbs-230lbs
Prime Shavers- 210lbs-215lbs
Prime Louis- 198lbs-210lbs
Thats just a few but these four could be argued as being the hardest punchers ever and they prove my point that you don't have to be 240lbs to be a great puncher. Punching has a technique to it and once you start getting too heavy you cannot put the same kind of snap into a punch to cause the kind of damage that the men i mentioned used to do.
You also have to take into account that the men they were facing were same weight maybe slightly under or over what they weighed.Today's heavyweight's are much bigger and guy's like Wlad have great boxing talent that really hasn't been seen in besides Lennox. Both of these men are huge they are not plotters but light on the toes,their not slow they are very quick indeed for big men.To see Shaver's or Joe Louis in their with Lennox or Wlad I think they would toy with them and then knock them out.
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Are you joking? Maybe you could make a case for Lennox beating Louis but not Wlad. I have all the respect in the world for him but he is just not mentally tough enough for Louis and also Lewis was KO'd by McCall and Rahman which is no great achievement but he avenged so i'm not going too deep into that. But also you said that Louis wasn't beating men that are as big as todays heavys let me give you a few examples:Whether Haye is the next great heavyweight or not can only be told by time but your talking as though 240lbs is the weight that HWs hardest punchers weighed..... Your wrong.
Prime Tyson- 215lbs-220lbs
Prime Foreman- 218lbs-230lbs
Prime Shavers- 210lbs-215lbs
Prime Louis- 198lbs-210lbs
Thats just a few but these four could be argued as being the hardest punchers ever and they prove my point that you don't have to be 240lbs to be a great puncher. Punching has a technique to it and once you start getting too heavy you cannot put the same kind of snap into a punch to cause the kind of damage that the men i mentioned used to do.
You also have to take into account that the men they were facing were same weight maybe slightly under or over what they weighed.Today's heavyweight's are much bigger and guy's like Wlad have great boxing talent that really hasn't been seen in besides Lennox. Both of these men are huge they are not plotters but light on the toes,their not slow they are very quick indeed for big men.To see Shaver's or Joe Louis in their with Lennox or Wlad I think they would toy with them and then knock them out.
25-6-1935 Joe Louis (196lbs) TKOd Primo Carnera (260 1/2 lbs) round 6.
21-3-1941 Joe Louis (202lbs) TKOd Abe Simon (254 1/2 lbs) round 13.
23-5-1941 Joe Louis (202lbs) won by DQ after flooring Buddy Baer (237lbs) 3 times in round 6 after which Baers manager refused to leave the ring resulting in the DQ.
REMATCH 9-1-1942 Joe Louis (206lbs) KOd Buddy Baer (250lbs) round 1.
27-3-1942 Joe Louis (207lbs) TKO'd Abe Simon (255lbs) round 6.
Now I'd say that they are all big men like todays heavys but not one could stand upto Louis' punch power.
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Ok granted but you named three fighter's what about Marciano smaller,Walcott smaller,Lee Savold smaller,Ezzard Charles smaller,Billy Conn smaller, etc. You have name probably the most uncoordinated heavyweight's of all time. Primo Carnera a joke, watch Requiem for a heavyweight. Next you would tell me that Joe Louis would knock both of these fighter's out. Meaning Wlad and Lennox. I would have to end this conversation.Are you joking? Maybe you could make a case for Lennox beating Louis but not Wlad. I have all the respect in the world for him but he is just not mentally tough enough for Louis and also Lewis was KO'd by McCall and Rahman which is no great achievement but he avenged so i'm not going too deep into that. But also you said that Louis wasn't beating men that are as big as todays heavys let me give you a few examples:
You also have to take into account that the men they were facing were same weight maybe slightly under or over what they weighed.Today's heavyweight's are much bigger and guy's like Wlad have great boxing talent that really hasn't been seen in besides Lennox. Both of these men are huge they are not plotters but light on the toes,their not slow they are very quick indeed for big men.To see Shaver's or Joe Louis in their with Lennox or Wlad I think they would toy with them and then knock them out.
25-6-1935 Joe Louis (196lbs) TKOd Primo Carnera (260 1/2 lbs) round 6.
21-3-1941 Joe Louis (202lbs) TKOd Abe Simon (254 1/2 lbs) round 13.
23-5-1941 Joe Louis (202lbs) won by DQ after flooring Buddy Baer (237lbs) 3 times in round 6 after which Baers manager refused to leave the ring resulting in the DQ.
REMATCH 9-1-1942 Joe Louis (206lbs) KOd Buddy Baer (250lbs) round 1.
27-3-1942 Joe Louis (207lbs) TKO'd Abe Simon (255lbs) round 6.
Now I'd say that they are all big men like todays heavys but not one could stand upto Louis' punch power.
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