Haye 16st 9lbs

[rjj tszyu]

Have you seen how many times he was dropped?

Todays heavys may not match on the skill level but im sure they make up for it with the power.

Louis v Galento

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7FjbaaIwvI

Galento fights like Tank Murdoch from every which way but loose, Filo Beddoe would wreck todays heavys

Yes I have seen how many times he was dropped I also take note of the fact he had 72 fights, won 69 of them and 55 by KO and only lost 3 times, and dominated the heavyweight division from 1936 (post Schmelling) to 1950 vs Ezzard Charles.

But what can I say.


As per Haye draining weight to make cruiser....don't they ALL do that? Don't ALL cruiserweights suck weight to make it down to that division so they don't have to fight at heavyweight and so like other fighters at lower weight classes they can use their size against their opponents. Evander Holyfield was a weight drained and he had to prove himself despite being a great cruiserweight and that being the best case scenario David Haye still needs to prove himself, everything he did at cruiserweight is irrelevant at heavyweight.

Lennox Lewis, David Tua, Riddick Bowe, Vitali and there are others above 240 who could punch pretty good.

First of all yes they are all draining to make the weight but IMO Haye is bigger than most other Cruisers including Evander.

Lennox, Bowe and Vitali were all good punchers but I am talking a one punch KO artist in the Tyson Mould. I see them more as accumulative punchers. I actually overlooked Tua sorry.

[WelshDevilRob]

David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi would have sparked Wladimir Klitschko into next week.

[El Kabong]

David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi would have sparked Wladimir Klitschko into next week.

And if your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle

[rjj tszyu]

David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi would have sparked Wladimir Klitschko into next week.

And if your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle

I wonder if he knew he would get a reaction from you Lyle lol

[sonny78]

Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi would have sparked Wladimir Klitschko into next week.
And if your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle

I dont even get this but it still made me laugh

[WelshDevilRob]

David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi would have sparked Wladimir Klitschko into next week.

And if your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle

Oh get her

[sonny78]

Well #1 Joe Louis was a HELL of a boxer IMO the GREATEST OF ALL-TIME #2 It would be very difficult to throw fighters into a vaccume and decide the outcome of a fight considering neither Louis and Shavers or Lewis and Wlad fought opposition that equal each other.

Better nutrition, training, and healthcare has created bigger and stronger specimens in ALL of sport not just boxing. It doesn't neccesarily mean BETTER specimens just bigger and stronger.


And also Earnie Shavers really wasn't THAT great he was a hell of a puncher but that was it the modern day equivilent is David Tua which really ain't saying much. If David Tua had Audley Harrison's chin or if Hasim Rahman had more pop then they would be the equal of Earnie Shavers. Every decent boxer with a solid punch or a solid chin whipped Shavers' ass: Quarry, Lyle, Cobb, Ali, Holmes, and hell even Bob Stallings at 21-24 beat Shavers by decision.

Wlad would toy with Shavers and vs Lewis Earnie wouldn't stand much of a chance either. Joe Louis might be a different story only because he was a better boxer and IMO a very underrated puncher and he had a hell of a chin only getting KO'd 2 times in his career #1 vs Schmelling in a fight he didn't properly prepare for and he later avenged and #2 vs Rocky Marciano when he was way old and out of shape

I disagree that modern fighters would be stronger while Better nutrition, training, and healthcare can help in theory you only have to look through the heavyweight division at the moment to see they are hardly examples of prime nutrition and conditioning, (Haye and Wlad are probably the best examples) Life was harder 50 years ago this built in toughness and strenth was something you cant train someone who spends all there off time on playstation

Cant imagine Sonny Liston struggling to much in the strength department now can you !

[rjj tszyu]

Well #1 Joe Louis was a HELL of a boxer IMO the GREATEST OF ALL-TIME #2 It would be very difficult to throw fighters into a vaccume and decide the outcome of a fight considering neither Louis and Shavers or Lewis and Wlad fought opposition that equal each other.

Better nutrition, training, and healthcare has created bigger and stronger specimens in ALL of sport not just boxing. It doesn't neccesarily mean BETTER specimens just bigger and stronger.


And also Earnie Shavers really wasn't THAT great he was a hell of a puncher but that was it the modern day equivilent is David Tua which really ain't saying much. If David Tua had Audley Harrison's chin or if Hasim Rahman had more pop then they would be the equal of Earnie Shavers. Every decent boxer with a solid punch or a solid chin whipped Shavers' ass: Quarry, Lyle, Cobb, Ali, Holmes, and hell even Bob Stallings at 21-24 beat Shavers by decision.

Wlad would toy with Shavers and vs Lewis Earnie wouldn't stand much of a chance either. Joe Louis might be a different story only because he was a better boxer and IMO a very underrated puncher and he had a hell of a chin only getting KO'd 2 times in his career #1 vs Schmelling in a fight he didn't properly prepare for and he later avenged and #2 vs Rocky Marciano when he was way old and out of shape

I disagree that modern fighters would be stronger while Better nutrition, training, and healthcare can help in theory you only have to look through the heavyweight division at the moment to see they are hardly examples of prime nutrition and conditioning, (Haye and Wlad are probably the best examples) Life was harder 50 years ago this built in toughness and strenth was something you cant train someone who spends all there off time on playstation

Cant imagine Sonny Liston struggling to much in the strength department now can you !

Very good points. IMO Sonny Liston would be undisputed heavyweight champon of the world now. The Bear was a totally different animal to todays heavys. The only two men who have had the same kind of invincibility since are George Foreman and Mike Tyson. I would love to see these 3 in their primes against each other. I see Tyson coming out with no victories though.

[ross]

You reckon Tyson would come last between the three

Mike succesfully defended his title in the eighties 9 times, Liston only once and Foreman only Twice

Mike wiped a division clean

[littlebif]

David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi would have sparked Wladimir Klitschko into next week.

I carnt see Tua getting in range to land,he wont be able to get past Wlads jab.Lewis beat Tua fairly easy and Wlad will do the same.