Simulated Pavlik Calzaghe fight. here is the result.

[Markusdarkus]

Uh they were all title holders. Not world champions. Far from it. Just look how they got there titles. Charles Brewer won his vacant IBF title by beating non-champion Gary Ballard (). Robin Reid crushed The Italian Stallion Vincenzo Nardiello to become WBC champ (). Richie Woodhall had to go 12 against the 10 loss having ancient Thulani Malinga to get his WBC title (). Who took it from Robin Ried. () Byron Mitchell I do give credit to. He beat the underrated Frankie Liles to become champion. But by the time he fought Calzaghe he was coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and had gone life and death against Manny Siaca and Julio Cesar Green. I don't even acknowledge the WBO. There you go. Keep calling Brewer, Reid and Woodhall former world champions if you want. Anything to make Calzaghe look better.

You clearly do not understand why I used quotation marks for the word - WORLD.

These guys were "world" (the quotation marks indicate i'm using the word ironically ) champion of those alphabet organisations. Fact.

Now, whether or not you believe them to be any good (obviously not), they all achieved a level of success that raises them ABOVE journeyman standard, right?

Which means the bulk of Calzaghe's opposition is far superior to Pavliks.

Mitchell and maybe, maybe Reid yeah. But Brewer and Woodhall I consider journeymen.

Brewer and Woodhall journeymen?

Yer ok.

[Kirkland Laing]

Demise is actually a secret Calzaghe fan. He's only kidding when he criticises him, don't take it seriously.