Simulated Pavlik Calzaghe fight. here is the result.

[Violent Demise]

That is ridiculous. Calzaghe's competition might not have been outstanding (well wasn't) BUT you either haven't been following boxing long... or seeing as the supermiddle divison has been pretty weak, you clearly don't know the fighters.

Calzaghe's opposition before Lacy...

Eubank - WBO champ (top 5 best ever supermiddle (arguable))
Brewer - IBF champ
Reid - WBC champ
Woodhall - WBC champ
Mitchell - WBA champ

Whether or not you know who these guys are - they were all "world" champion.

Mario Veit and Omar Sheika were decent young challengers.

Now you name Pavliks best opposition before Zertuche

Uh they were all title holders. Not world champions. Far from it. Just look how they got there titles. Charles Brewer won his vacant IBF title by beating non-champion Gary Ballard (). Robin Reid crushed The Italian Stallion Vincenzo Nardiello to become WBC champ (). Richie Woodhall had to go 12 against the 10 loss having ancient Thulani Malinga to get his WBC title (). Who took it from Robin Ried. () Byron Mitchell I do give credit to. He beat the underrated Frankie Liles to become champion. But by the time he fought Calzaghe he was coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and had gone life and death against Manny Siaca and Julio Cesar Green. I don't even acknowledge the WBO. There you go. Keep calling Brewer, Reid and Woodhall former world champions if you want. Anything to make Calzaghe look better.

You clearly do not understand why I used quotation marks for the word - WORLD.

These guys were "world" (the quotation marks indicate i'm using the word ironically ) champion of those alphabet organisations. Fact.

Now, whether or not you believe them to be any good (obviously not), they all achieved a level of success that raises them ABOVE journeyman standard, right?

Which means the bulk of Calzaghe's opposition is far superior to Pavliks.

Mitchell and maybe, maybe Reid yeah. But Brewer and Woodhall I consider journeymen.

[Markusdarkus]

Uh they were all title holders. Not world champions. Far from it. Just look how they got there titles. Charles Brewer won his vacant IBF title by beating non-champion Gary Ballard (). Robin Reid crushed The Italian Stallion Vincenzo Nardiello to become WBC champ (). Richie Woodhall had to go 12 against the 10 loss having ancient Thulani Malinga to get his WBC title (). Who took it from Robin Ried. () Byron Mitchell I do give credit to. He beat the underrated Frankie Liles to become champion. But by the time he fought Calzaghe he was coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and had gone life and death against Manny Siaca and Julio Cesar Green. I don't even acknowledge the WBO. There you go. Keep calling Brewer, Reid and Woodhall former world champions if you want. Anything to make Calzaghe look better.

You clearly do not understand why I used quotation marks for the word - WORLD.

These guys were "world" (the quotation marks indicate i'm using the word ironically ) champion of those alphabet organisations. Fact.

Now, whether or not you believe them to be any good (obviously not), they all achieved a level of success that raises them ABOVE journeyman standard, right?

Which means the bulk of Calzaghe's opposition is far superior to Pavliks.

Mitchell and maybe, maybe Reid yeah. But Brewer and Woodhall I consider journeymen.

Brewer and Woodhall journeymen?

Yer ok.

[Kirkland Laing]

Demise is actually a secret Calzaghe fan. He's only kidding when he criticises him, don't take it seriously.

[Fenster]

Uh they were all title holders. Not world champions. Far from it. Just look how they got there titles. Charles Brewer won his vacant IBF title by beating non-champion Gary Ballard (). Robin Reid crushed The Italian Stallion Vincenzo Nardiello to become WBC champ (). Richie Woodhall had to go 12 against the 10 loss having ancient Thulani Malinga to get his WBC title (). Who took it from Robin Ried. () Byron Mitchell I do give credit to. He beat the underrated Frankie Liles to become champion. But by the time he fought Calzaghe he was coming off a loss to Sven Ottke and had gone life and death against Manny Siaca and Julio Cesar Green. I don't even acknowledge the WBO. There you go. Keep calling Brewer, Reid and Woodhall former world champions if you want. Anything to make Calzaghe look better.

You clearly do not understand why I used quotation marks for the word - WORLD.

These guys were "world" (the quotation marks indicate i'm using the word ironically ) champion of those alphabet organisations. Fact.

Now, whether or not you believe them to be any good (obviously not), they all achieved a level of success that raises them ABOVE journeyman standard, right?

Which means the bulk of Calzaghe's opposition is far superior to Pavliks.

Mitchell and maybe, maybe Reid yeah. But Brewer and Woodhall I consider journeymen.

That genuinely made me laugh.

[Violent Demise]

You clearly do not understand why I used quotation marks for the word - WORLD.

These guys were "world" (the quotation marks indicate i'm using the word ironically ) champion of those alphabet organisations. Fact.

Now, whether or not you believe them to be any good (obviously not), they all achieved a level of success that raises them ABOVE journeyman standard, right?

Which means the bulk of Calzaghe's opposition is far superior to Pavliks.

Mitchell and maybe, maybe Reid yeah. But Brewer and Woodhall I consider journeymen.

That genuinely made me laugh.

It would help if you actually knew Brewers career. Watch some of his fights. And you'll see he's not the "World Champion" you think he was

[Fenster]

Mitchell and maybe, maybe Reid yeah. But Brewer and Woodhall I consider journeymen.

That genuinely made me laugh.

It would help if you actually knew Brewers career. Watch some of his fights. And you'll see he's not the "World Champion" you think he was

I know enough about Brewers career.

He was the IBF "world" supermiddleweight champion. Is that NOT a FACT?

I've NEVER once stated whether I believe he was any good or not.

[Violent Demise]

That genuinely made me laugh.

It would help if you actually knew Brewers career. Watch some of his fights. And you'll see he's not the "World Champion" you think he was

I know enough about Brewers career.

He was the IBF "world" supermiddleweight champion. Is that NOT a FACT?

I've NEVER once stated whether I believe he was any good or not.

Good to see your easily brain washed by the organizations. Seriously answered me this, how can one be called a "World Champion" if he never beat another world champion for the belt? Is it because they tell you he's a world champion? Is that it? So I guess if they told you he was a future Hall of Famer would you consider him a future Hall of Famer as well?

[Fenster]

It would help if you actually knew Brewers career. Watch some of his fights. And you'll see he's not the "World Champion" you think he was

I know enough about Brewers career.

He was the IBF "world" supermiddleweight champion. Is that NOT a FACT?

I've NEVER once stated whether I believe he was any good or not.

Good to see your easily brain washed by the organizations. Seriously answered me this, how can one be called a "World Champion" if he never beat another world champion for the belt? Is it because they tell you he's a world champion? Is that it? So I guess if they told you he was a future Hall of Famer would you consider him a future Hall of Famer as well?

Hey didn't you understand my other post? Thought I made it clear.

I personally only EVER consider one champion per divison. Alphabet titles, whether it's the WBC, WBA, WBO or IBF don't mean shit. It's the fighter that makes the belt.

I'm merely stating a FACT that Charles Brewer was the IBF "world" Champion. That is a Fact.

[Violent Demise]

I know enough about Brewers career.

He was the IBF "world" supermiddleweight champion. Is that NOT a FACT?

I've NEVER once stated whether I believe he was any good or not.

Good to see your easily brain washed by the organizations. Seriously answered me this, how can one be called a "World Champion" if he never beat another world champion for the belt? Is it because they tell you he's a world champion? Is that it? So I guess if they told you he was a future Hall of Famer would you consider him a future Hall of Famer as well?

Hey didn't you understand my other post? Thought I made it clear.

I personally only EVER consider one champion per divison. Alphabet titles, whether it's the WBC, WBA, WBO or IBF don't mean shit. It's the fighter that makes the belt.

I'm merely stating a FACT that Charles Brewer was the IBF "world" Champion. That is a Fact.

So if the IBF decided to give Audley Harrison there title would you consider Harrison a IBF World Heavyweight champion? Despite the fact that he never beat a champion for it?