want to test a little theory

[ICB]

Here we go. I'll trash my favorite fighter. Duran dominated lightweight in weak era, and he padded his record with bums. Other than the first Ray Leonard fight, he came up short in every other fight against top competition - Benitez, Hearns, and Hagler. Iran Barkley was overrated. The only good fighter he ever beat was Hearns, so that win doesn't mean much. He fought way past his prime and ruined his legacy losing to guys like Paz and Lawlor.

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I wouldn't say Iran Barkley was overrated, he done very well against Sumbu Kalambay and Michael Nunn who were both in there prime. Those fights alone showed he could compete at world class.

[Mr140]

I never saw that show Thread Stealer good nit pick by the way very good have some rep on me and by the way who said he ducked him anyhow.

[Mr140]

Also to come back form your nit pick all i got to say. Is that Hagler at prime was at higher weight then Leonard was so they would not of fought regardless pluse Leonards eye was jacked. Hagler may have been prime but neither was Leonard and he was 13 pounds above his prime weight. If he would of boxed Duran first time he would of won easily i feel. Also Leonard was still pretty young and green i think against the champ and he was countering the counter puncher and he knocked him down with a jab.

[ICB]

I never saw that show Thread Stealer good nit pick by the way very good have some rep on me and by the way who said he ducked him anyhow.

It all started with Leonard moving up a weightclass in the Amateurs to avoid Pryor, Leonard also got whooped few times in sparring by Pryor, and Pryor also called him out at a press conference but Leonard didn't want to know, hence why some people believe Leonard avoided Pryor.

[Thread Stealer]

I never saw that show Thread Stealer good nit pick by the way very good have some rep on me and by the way who said he ducked him anyhow.

HBO's Legendary Nights showed Pryor challege Leonard at a press conference, and Leonard never fought Pryor.

Butch Lewis was talking about how Leonard supposedly moved up a weight division in the amateurs to avoid Pryor and was handled by him in sparring.

Who doesn't challenge the big names? When does a welterweight champ have an obligation to fight the junior welterweight champ? Leonard had bigger challenges against established fighters in his own division. Of course money played a role in them being bigger names than Pryor, but they were established fighters in Leonard's division, unlike Pryor.

If Pryor did some work at welterweight, then the claim would be much stronger. But Pryor was best suited for divisions below 147.

[RozzySean]

Here we go. I'll trash my favorite fighter. Duran dominated lightweight in weak era, and he padded his record with bums. Other than the first Ray Leonard fight, he came up short in every other fight against top competition - Benitez, Hearns, and Hagler. Iran Barkley was overrated. The only good fighter he ever beat was Hearns, so that win doesn't mean much. He fought way past his prime and ruined his legacy losing to guys like Paz and Lawlor.

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I wouldn't say Iran Barkley was overrated, he done very well against Sumbu Kalambay and Michael Nunn who were both in there prime. Those fights alone showed he could compete at world class.

I was trashing Barkley to diminish Duran's win over him. Keeping with that theme, he was competitive with Kalambay and Nunn, but he lost. He got KTFO by Benn. James Toney made him look like an amateur.

OK, in real life, I don't think Barkley was overrated and in real life, Duran is one of my favorite fighters and I think that weak LW division or not, you could put Duran in with any LW he would have a good chance to come out on top, Mosley and Benny Leonard included.

The point of the thread is to take a guy who is recognized universally as an ATG and make a case against him. Old Duran's win over Barkley was one of his most compelling performances. Barkley gave a great fight to a Kalembay during Kalembay's peak. But to play devil's advocate, you could say that every time Iran Barkely stepped up, other than Hearns, he fell short, including to a way past it Duran.

[boozeboxer]

I don;t blame him for avoiding Pryor. That guy had the instinct to kill.

[CutMeMick]

I don;t blame him for avoiding Pryor. That guy had the instinct to kill.

With a trainer who'd be willing to help him.

[CutMeMick]

I would love to see someone try to be little Henry Armstrong.

[antimoron]

I would love to see someone try to be little Henry Armstrong.

Well, i'll try... about half of Henrys opponents has a DOUBLE DIGIT LOSING RECORD.. hehe at least i try.. He lost about 10% of his fight..

[CutMeMick]

I would love to see someone try to be little Henry Armstrong.

Well, i'll try... about half of Henrys opponents has a DOUBLE DIGIT LOSING RECORD.. hehe at least i try.. He lost about 10% of his fight..

Which meant ABSOLUTELY NOTHING back then....

[Thread Stealer]

I don;t blame him for avoiding Pryor. That guy had the instinct to kill.

With a trainer who'd be willing to help him.

I don't like Pryor's chances against the welterweights like Leonard, Hearns, Duran, etc..

He was a terrific junior welterweight, and probably could've won the LW title too, but fighting bigger guys as great as SRL, Tommy, Duran.....I don't think Pryor beats any of them.

[CutMeMick]

I don;t blame him for avoiding Pryor. That guy had the instinct to kill.

With a trainer who'd be willing to help him.

I don't like Pryor's chances against the welterweights like Leonard, Hearns, Duran, etc..

He was a terrific junior welterweight, and probably could've won the LW title too, but fighting bigger guys as great as SRL, Tommy, Duran.....I don't think Pryor beats any of them.

I agree, shit! I don't even think he would have beaten Alexis if not for the black bottle.

[hitmanhatton]

how would u explain Alexis getting ktfo in the rematch thne ?

[Spicoli]

Here we go. I'll trash my favorite fighter. Duran dominated lightweight in weak era, and he padded his record with bums. Other than the first Ray Leonard fight, he came up short in every other fight against top competition - Benitez, Hearns, and Hagler. Iran Barkley was overrated. The only good fighter he ever beat was Hearns, so that win doesn't mean much. He fought way past his prime and ruined his legacy losing to guys like Paz and Lawlor.

This is a fun game!

I wouldn't say Iran Barkley was overrated, he done very well against Sumbu Kalambay and Michael Nunn who were both in there prime. Those fights alone showed he could compete at world class.

I was trashing Barkley to diminish Duran's win over him. Keeping with that theme, he was competitive with Kalambay and Nunn, but he lost. He got KTFO by Benn. James Toney made him look like an amateur.

OK, in real life, I don't think Barkley was overrated and in real life, Duran is one of my favorite fighters and I think that weak LW division or not, you could put Duran in with any LW he would have a good chance to come out on top, Mosley and Benny Leonard included.

The point of the thread is to take a guy who is recognized universally as an ATG and make a case against him. Old Duran's win over Barkley was one of his most compelling performances. Barkley gave a great fight to a Kalembay during Kalembay's peak. But to play devil's advocate, you could say that every time Iran Barkely stepped up, other than Hearns, he fell short, including to a way past it Duran.

In hindsight I have to agree but not too many guys can say 'other than Hearns' on they're resumes . Barkley is a mainstay although just as hot as he was cold in some spots.He had such intensity and bad guy persona inside the ring but when outside in interviews and HOF ceremony type stuff,he comes across as a pretty cool dude.He was predictable but had some good scraps ......Casteneda,Benn & Olajide stand out.

I'll will always thank him for Van Horn mugging,that was hilarious. never have seen a father in such a hurry to get his sons arse kicked