I love Joe Calzaghe!

[smashup]

Smash what has Calzaghe down to show he is way better then Pavlik i mean he in the eyes of alot of people lost to 43 year old Hopkins. Now i know Hopkins hard to look good against but come on if Pavlik does a better job on Hopkins then Calzaghe did then he has nothing then.

"A lot of people" do me a favour did you even watch the fight?
Joe won convincingly in most peoples eyes and even the American pundits had him a clear winner,Hopkins held and made it ugly simply because he couldn't deal with him and i admit Joe struggled for a while to adapt to his shitty style but came through with ease in the latter rounds
As for Pavlik...him being a white man has put silly amounts of pressure on him and the US are crying out for the "great white hope" which is understandable as for years and years it's been blacks and latinos,mexicans who have dominated the sport in the States.
i don't see anyway kelly can win at all,Joe's to skilled a fighter,definately has a better chin and can adapt to styles brilliantly during a fight,his fitness levels are superhuman,oh and he's a southpaw who can box on the back foot beutifully and pick you apart or mix it inside and hit you so often you'd think you were surrounded.
I like Pavlik and he's exciting but he just comes in straight lines with no lateral movement and little head movement which is tailor made for the legend that is Calzaghe.
if i thought Kelly had even a punchers chance then i'd stand up and say but Joe's been in with harder hitters and it's not that Pavlik won't win but more a case of he Can't win.

I fully expect this fight to happen too and would be pissed off with JC if he never took the challenge.
Joe will give him a boxing lesson and make it look easy.

[smashup]

Just out of interest what makes you think Kelly will beat Popkins?
Don't be so sure he will fella,Pop will frustrate Pavlik and put him in a place he's never been before and he bangs harder than Taylor and Taylor had him their for the taking

[Markusdarkus]

Just out of interest what makes you think Kelly will beat Popkins?
Don't be so sure he will fella,Pop will frustrate Pavlik and put him in a place he's never been before and he bangs harder than Taylor and Taylor had him their for the taking

I like Pavlik as a fighter and a person but his fans for the bit part at totally insane.

[leftylee]

Just out of interest what makes you think Kelly will beat Popkins?
Don't be so sure he will fella,Pop will frustrate Pavlik and put him in a place he's never been before and he bangs harder than Taylor and Taylor had him their for the taking

Come on. Kelly done a stupid thing in the first fight and dropped his hands. Who knows why. But he won't do that again. Pavlik will win an ugly UD against Mary Popkins. Popkins is so defensive nowadays. It's almost like the opppnent carries a disease he backs off that much. It's almost as bad as watching Cory Spinks.

[smashup]

WTF are you on about fella
Hopkins dropped Joe in round 1?
Are you trying to say he did it by accident while "on the defensive"
Tell you what IF he'd have follwed that attack up and put it on Joe through round 2 we might not be having this conversation.
Hopkins can hit and Kelly can be hit 50-50 fight imo.

[leftylee]

WTF are you on about fella
Hopkins dropped Joe in round 1?
Are you trying to say he did it by accident while "on the defensive"
Tell you what IF he'd have follwed that attack up and put it on Joe through round 2 we might not be having this conversation.
Hopkins can hit and Kelly can be hit 50-50 fight imo.

Hopkins was on the defensive for the 12 rounds. Even the fukking Ring Magazine agrees with me. Hopkins never dictated the pace at all. He backed off all night.

[RP33]

WTF are you on about fella
Hopkins dropped Joe in round 1?
Are you trying to say he did it by accident while "on the defensive"
Tell you what IF he'd have follwed that attack up and put it on Joe through round 2 we might not be having this conversation.
Hopkins can hit and Kelly can be hit 50-50 fight imo.

Hopkins was on the defensive for the 12 rounds. Even the fukking Ring Magazine agrees with me. Hopkins never dictated the pace at all. He backed off all night.

it's been years since hopkins has been on the offensive.. hopkins is a counter puncher, he's not going to come at you.. lee is correct..

anyway, you're right by saying that if hopkins followed up he would've had a chance to get joe out of there, but he did absolutely nothing int he second half of the fight, and it STILL was close.. Joe Calzaghe was so apprehensive in the beginning of that fight to throw a punch it was funny.. thing is he could've did what he did in the last 5ish rounds the whole fight, Hopkins doesn't throw a punch..

Kelly's output will win him the fight alone..

[ICB]

Just out of interest what makes you think Kelly will beat Popkins?
Don't be so sure he will fella,Pop will frustrate Pavlik and put him in a place he's never been before and he bangs harder than Taylor and Taylor had him their for the taking

Bernard Hopkins bangs harder at Light Heavyweight than Jermain Taylor at Middleweight P4P ? i don't think so somehow.

[Violent Demise]

Smash what has Calzaghe down to show he is way better then Pavlik i mean he in the eyes of alot of people lost to 43 year old Hopkins. Now i know Hopkins hard to look good against but come on if Pavlik does a better job on Hopkins then Calzaghe did then he has nothing then.

"A lot of people" do me a favour did you even watch the fight?
Joe won convincingly in most peoples eyes and even the American pundits had him a clear winner,Hopkins held and made it ugly simply because he couldn't deal with him and i admit Joe struggled for a while to adapt to his shitty style but came through with ease in the latter rounds
As for Pavlik...him being a white man has put silly amounts of pressure on him and the US are crying out for the "great white hope" which is understandable as for years and years it's been blacks and latinos,mexicans who have dominated the sport in the States.
i don't see anyway kelly can win at all,Joe's to skilled a fighter,definately has a better chin and can adapt to styles brilliantly during a fight,his fitness levels are superhuman,oh and he's a southpaw who can box on the back foot beutifully and pick you apart or mix it inside and hit you so often you'd think you were surrounded.
I like Pavlik and he's exciting but he just comes in straight lines with no lateral movement and little head movement which is tailor made for the legend that is Calzaghe.
if i thought Kelly had even a punchers chance then i'd stand up and say but Joe's been in with harder hitters and it's not that Pavlik won't win but more a case of he Can't win.

I fully expect this fight to happen too and would be pissed off with JC if he never took the challenge.
Joe will give him a boxing lesson and make it look easy.

Obviously you claimed to have watched the fight. Answer me this one question. It's pretty fukking simple. I don't want it going over your head. Except for the low blow late in the fight, name me one punch Calzaghe landed in the whole fight that was worthwhile. Or noticeable? Seriously let me know. What round?

He landed nothing significant. He slapped the whole night and couldn't even land cleanly. He got dropped in one round. And hurt in another one. Yet you think he won. I have no doubt in my mind that if Calzaghe was Mexican or from Africa you would be crying that Hopkins was robbed. But he's from the UK. And instead of just being Joe Calzaghe. He's the legend Joe Calzaghe. But that's understandable. If Frank Bruno is considered a legend . Why not Joe?

[Kirkland Laing]

Smash what has Calzaghe down to show he is way better then Pavlik i mean he in the eyes of alot of people lost to 43 year old Hopkins. Now i know Hopkins hard to look good against but come on if Pavlik does a better job on Hopkins then Calzaghe did then he has nothing then.

"A lot of people" do me a favour did you even watch the fight?
Joe won convincingly in most peoples eyes and even the American pundits had him a clear winner,Hopkins held and made it ugly simply because he couldn't deal with him and i admit Joe struggled for a while to adapt to his shitty style but came through with ease in the latter rounds
As for Pavlik...him being a white man has put silly amounts of pressure on him and the US are crying out for the "great white hope" which is understandable as for years and years it's been blacks and latinos,mexicans who have dominated the sport in the States.
i don't see anyway kelly can win at all,Joe's to skilled a fighter,definately has a better chin and can adapt to styles brilliantly during a fight,his fitness levels are superhuman,oh and he's a southpaw who can box on the back foot beutifully and pick you apart or mix it inside and hit you so often you'd think you were surrounded.
I like Pavlik and he's exciting but he just comes in straight lines with no lateral movement and little head movement which is tailor made for the legend that is Calzaghe.
if i thought Kelly had even a punchers chance then i'd stand up and say but Joe's been in with harder hitters and it's not that Pavlik won't win but more a case of he Can't win.

I fully expect this fight to happen too and would be pissed off with JC if he never took the challenge.
Joe will give him a boxing lesson and make it look easy.

Obviously you claimed to have watched the fight. Answer me this one question. It's pretty fukking simple. I don't want it going over your head. Except for the low blow late in the fight, name me one punch Calzaghe landed in the whole fight that was worthwhile. Or noticeable? Seriously let me know. What round?

He landed nothing significant. He slapped the whole night and couldn't even land cleanly. He got dropped in one round. And hurt in another one. Yet you think he won. I have no doubt in my mind that if Calzaghe was Mexican or from Africa you would be crying that Hopkins was robbed. But he's from the UK. And instead of just being Joe Calzaghe. He's the legend Joe Calzaghe. But that's understandable. If Frank Bruno is considered a legend . Why not Joe?

You're not fooling me Demise. It's obvious you're a secret Calzaghe fan.

[C-Lo]

I'm not claiming Pavlik is chinny. He takes a decent shot.

But.. Taylor smashed him into a mess, Pavlik couldn't control his legs or anything...now, in 15 years as a pro, Calzaghe hasn't even come CLOSE to being STOPPED. So there's a far bigger question mark over Pavlik's chin than Calzaghe's. That's all.

Here we go again with Taylor hurting Pavlik...Taylor didn't land a lucky punch or a glancing blow, he hit Pavlik with FLUSH POWER SHOTS. Anyone who survived that should be respected. Anyone who lands that many flush shots in a row will put someone down.

Pavlik will be destroyed by Joe and will resemble the Elephant man afterwards...way out of Pavliks league in every department
FACT

NO WAY Joe's SLAPS match up to Kelly's PUNCHES. NO WAY is Joe rearranging Pavlik's face, he doesn't hit hard enough. I'll give you Calzaghe may have an advantage if you go skill by skill, but no way is it a landslide...

[Fenster]

I'm not claiming Pavlik is chinny. He takes a decent shot.

But.. Taylor smashed him into a mess, Pavlik couldn't control his legs or anything...now, in 15 years as a pro, Calzaghe hasn't even come CLOSE to being STOPPED. So there's a far bigger question mark over Pavlik's chin than Calzaghe's. That's all.

Here we go again with Taylor hurting Pavlik...Taylor didn't land a lucky punch or a glancing blow, he hit Pavlik with FLUSH POWER SHOTS. Anyone who survived that should be respected. Anyone who lands that many flush shots in a row will put someone down.

Why is it WRONG to point out a FACT? Pavlik was in a TERRIBLE state.. he survived - what's the problem?

[Violent Demise]

"A lot of people" do me a favour did you even watch the fight?
Joe won convincingly in most peoples eyes and even the American pundits had him a clear winner,Hopkins held and made it ugly simply because he couldn't deal with him and i admit Joe struggled for a while to adapt to his shitty style but came through with ease in the latter rounds
As for Pavlik...him being a white man has put silly amounts of pressure on him and the US are crying out for the "great white hope" which is understandable as for years and years it's been blacks and latinos,mexicans who have dominated the sport in the States.
i don't see anyway kelly can win at all,Joe's to skilled a fighter,definately has a better chin and can adapt to styles brilliantly during a fight,his fitness levels are superhuman,oh and he's a southpaw who can box on the back foot beutifully and pick you apart or mix it inside and hit you so often you'd think you were surrounded.
I like Pavlik and he's exciting but he just comes in straight lines with no lateral movement and little head movement which is tailor made for the legend that is Calzaghe.
if i thought Kelly had even a punchers chance then i'd stand up and say but Joe's been in with harder hitters and it's not that Pavlik won't win but more a case of he Can't win.

I fully expect this fight to happen too and would be pissed off with JC if he never took the challenge.
Joe will give him a boxing lesson and make it look easy.

Obviously you claimed to have watched the fight. Answer me this one question. It's pretty fukking simple. I don't want it going over your head. Except for the low blow late in the fight, name me one punch Calzaghe landed in the whole fight that was worthwhile. Or noticeable? Seriously let me know. What round?

He landed nothing significant. He slapped the whole night and couldn't even land cleanly. He got dropped in one round. And hurt in another one. Yet you think he won. I have no doubt in my mind that if Calzaghe was Mexican or from Africa you would be crying that Hopkins was robbed. But he's from the UK. And instead of just being Joe Calzaghe. He's the legend Joe Calzaghe. But that's understandable. If Frank Bruno is considered a legend . Why not Joe?

You're not fooling me Demise. It's obvious you're a secret Calzaghe fan.

Of course. Never once claimed I wasn't. But fan or not, Violent D calls it like it is. Unlike some of the other bias, unrealistic fans here, Violent D will issue criticism when it needs to be issued. No matter if the fighter is a personal favorite or not. Cuz that's just the type of person Violent D is.

[Kirkland Laing]

Obviously you claimed to have watched the fight. Answer me this one question. It's pretty fukking simple. I don't want it going over your head. Except for the low blow late in the fight, name me one punch Calzaghe landed in the whole fight that was worthwhile. Or noticeable? Seriously let me know. What round?

He landed nothing significant. He slapped the whole night and couldn't even land cleanly. He got dropped in one round. And hurt in another one. Yet you think he won. I have no doubt in my mind that if Calzaghe was Mexican or from Africa you would be crying that Hopkins was robbed. But he's from the UK. And instead of just being Joe Calzaghe. He's the legend Joe Calzaghe. But that's understandable. If Frank Bruno is considered a legend . Why not Joe?

You're not fooling me Demise. It's obvious you're a secret Calzaghe fan.

Of course. Never once claimed I wasn't. But fan or not, Violent D calls it like it is. Unlike some of the other bias, unrealistic fans here, Violent D will issue criticism when it needs to be issued. No matter if the fighter is a personal favorite or not. Cuz that's just the type of person Violent D is.

It's like the girl in school that's always slagging off the boy she really fancies. Every time I see you criticise Calzaghe it's just more confirmation of how you really feel about him. It's good to see you caring so passionately about a British fighter.

[C-Lo]

I'm not claiming Pavlik is chinny. He takes a decent shot.

But.. Taylor smashed him into a mess, Pavlik couldn't control his legs or anything...now, in 15 years as a pro, Calzaghe hasn't even come CLOSE to being STOPPED. So there's a far bigger question mark over Pavlik's chin than Calzaghe's. That's all.

Here we go again with Taylor hurting Pavlik...Taylor didn't land a lucky punch or a glancing blow, he hit Pavlik with FLUSH POWER SHOTS. Anyone who survived that should be respected. Anyone who lands that many flush shots in a row will put someone down.

Why is it WRONG to point out a FACT? Pavlik was in a TERRIBLE state.. he survived - what's the problem?

I saw you using Taylor who isn't known to be a hard puncher as an example of the type of fighter that could hurt Pavlik. I was expressing how if any fighter landed those kind of punches regardless of one's chin, they would be hurt by it.

If that's not what you meant by using the Taylor example, I apologize.