I love Joe Calzaghe!

[Fenster]

Mikkel Kessler can hit and this is probably the best puncher Calzaghe has fought but he isn't as dangerous as Pavlik in terms of power IMO, and he can't change a fight around with one punch like Pavlik can from what i've seen anyway. And Kessler only landed solid shots here and there other than that he got dominated.

Chris Eubank has got some good KO's under his belt but again look at his KO record, only average at best. Jeff Lacy had some good power but he didn't land a solid shot on Calzaghe...........

Then you have decent punchers like Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, etc. I would like to know who you really consider a real dangerous KO puncher out of Calzaghe's resume Fenster..........

Calzaghe has been decked by Mitchell, Salem, who aren't big punchers and they were both by single shots and they were both heavy knockdowns aswell i don't think Calzaghe has a granite chin by any means.

That's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).
All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.

I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.

Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik.

Eubank was never a devastating puncher. He started going the distance more often cuz his competition level had improved. Eubank used the Watson incident as an excuse for some of the gift wins he got. Eubank knows he should of lost to Malinga and Close. So he blamed it on him having problems stopping fighters since the Watson fight. It was a bullshiit excuse. Truth is Eubank was only a slightly better fighter than them. Look at his fight with John Jarvis. Did it look like he had problems stopping him? No. He threw his right with murderous intend. No hesitation. No thoughts of Watson dancing in his head. That's cuz Jarvis was a bum. No excuse was necessary.

He looked a devastaing puncher against Jarvis

He took Jarvis clean out with one punch. After the Watson fight Eubank would hold back when he had fighters hurt. Everyone saw that (if you followed his career that is ).

I never even knew he BLAMED Watson for his performance against Malinga and Close. What EXACTLY did he say?

One of the biggest criticisms against Eubank was he fought to the level of his opposition. So, it's hardly surprising he didn't look impressive against guys he should thrash

[Violent Demise]

Smash what has Calzaghe down to show he is way better then Pavlik i mean he in the eyes of alot of people lost to 43 year old Hopkins. Now i know Hopkins hard to look good against but come on if Pavlik does a better job on Hopkins then Calzaghe did then he has nothing then.

He's from the UK. Enough said.

[LEGION]

Smash what has Calzaghe down to show he is way better then Pavlik i mean he in the eyes of alot of people lost to 43 year old Hopkins. Now i know Hopkins hard to look good against but come on if Pavlik does a better job on Hopkins then Calzaghe did then he has nothing then.

Well at the least Calzaghe has proven himself more at a higher weight; where we are really just now going to see what Pavlik can do up there. Pavlik will have some problems with Hopkins and as much as I hate to say it. I think Calzaghe; as long as he doesn't get into a war on the ropes with Pavlik; will most likely beat Kelly.

Taylor gave Pavlik alot more trouble at not only the higher weight in the rematch, but by better movement and not getting caught on the ropes; but Joe won't gas like Taylor has a tendency to do. Also I think Joe takes a better shot than people think, and though Kessler isn't a mega puncher; he did pop Joe several times and Joe didn't seem fazed in the least if I remember right.

Pavlik throws more punches but until he gets an opponent hurt and to the ropes they are all straight punches and I just don't see Joe hanging around waiting to let them land. IF Pavlik hurts Calzaghe and gets him to the ropes Calzaghe better run; as Pavlik is the best finisher today IMO; and that's when he's the most dangerous. But I don't see Kelly wearing him down enough unless it's very late in the fight possibly; and in the last couple of rounds if Joe feels he has it I don't see him giving Kelly any unneccesary oppurtunities. Joe by decision as much as it would hurt me to see.

Alot depends on how or more importantly if Pavlik beats Hopkins; and does anyone know what weight kelly and Joe would fight at? Assuming LHW correct?

[smashup]

Smash what has Calzaghe down to show he is way better then Pavlik i mean he in the eyes of alot of people lost to 43 year old Hopkins. Now i know Hopkins hard to look good against but come on if Pavlik does a better job on Hopkins then Calzaghe did then he has nothing then.

"A lot of people" do me a favour did you even watch the fight?
Joe won convincingly in most peoples eyes and even the American pundits had him a clear winner,Hopkins held and made it ugly simply because he couldn't deal with him and i admit Joe struggled for a while to adapt to his shitty style but came through with ease in the latter rounds
As for Pavlik...him being a white man has put silly amounts of pressure on him and the US are crying out for the "great white hope" which is understandable as for years and years it's been blacks and latinos,mexicans who have dominated the sport in the States.
i don't see anyway kelly can win at all,Joe's to skilled a fighter,definately has a better chin and can adapt to styles brilliantly during a fight,his fitness levels are superhuman,oh and he's a southpaw who can box on the back foot beutifully and pick you apart or mix it inside and hit you so often you'd think you were surrounded.
I like Pavlik and he's exciting but he just comes in straight lines with no lateral movement and little head movement which is tailor made for the legend that is Calzaghe.
if i thought Kelly had even a punchers chance then i'd stand up and say but Joe's been in with harder hitters and it's not that Pavlik won't win but more a case of he Can't win.

I fully expect this fight to happen too and would be pissed off with JC if he never took the challenge.
Joe will give him a boxing lesson and make it look easy.

[leftylee]

Calzaghe would get beat by Pavlik. End of. Calzaghe is so open to right hands and that's Kelly's biggest weapon. I also agree Joe is ducking him.

Joe is one contradicting twat two. Anyone remember he stated how Jones was washed up and his fight with Tito gives him no interset ? Yet he now goes onto fight Jones saying Roy Jones is not shot and how's he still got a lot left etc. Fukking Joe Calzaghe, I hope he gets his ass whooped by whoever. Nothing would give me more satisfaction than see him lose his undefeated record

[Violent Demise]

That's because after the Watson fight Eubank wouldn't even go for KO's (follow-up the attack, finish fighters when he hurt them).
All the guys you mentioned were hard punchers. You can go back through Calzaghe's 15 year career to find hard punchers.

I don't think Pavlik is a particularly devasting lights-out hitter either. If he stopped Calzaghe it would be after an accumulation as he wore the oldman down.

Questioning Calzaghe's chin is a bit silly. He was up instantly from all three knockdowns. Pavlik was bashed into a drunken mess by Taylor. Is Taylor a devastating, dynamite, dangerous puncher? Of course not. Any question marks you have over Calzaghe are doubled when aimed at Pavlik.

Eubank was never a devastating puncher. He started going the distance more often cuz his competition level had improved. Eubank used the Watson incident as an excuse for some of the gift wins he got. Eubank knows he should of lost to Malinga and Close. So he blamed it on him having problems stopping fighters since the Watson fight. It was a bullshiit excuse. Truth is Eubank was only a slightly better fighter than them. Look at his fight with John Jarvis. Did it look like he had problems stopping him? No. He threw his right with murderous intend. No hesitation. No thoughts of Watson dancing in his head. That's cuz Jarvis was a bum. No excuse was necessary.

He looked a devastaing puncher against Jarvis

He took Jarvis clean out with one punch. After the Watson fight Eubank would hold back when he had fighters hurt. Everyone saw that (if you followed his career that is ).

I never even knew he BLAMED Watson for his performance against Malinga and Close. What EXACTLY did he say?

One of the biggest criticisms against Eubank was he fought to the level of his opposition. So, it's hardly surprising he didn't look impressive against guys he should thrash

If you followed Eubank career like you said you have you would know that all that Watson talk only came about after his gift wins. He needed something to blame them on

[Markusdarkus]

Smash what has Calzaghe down to show he is way better then Pavlik i mean he in the eyes of alot of people lost to 43 year old Hopkins. Now i know Hopkins hard to look good against but come on if Pavlik does a better job on Hopkins then Calzaghe did then he has nothing then.

I guess because Ali lost to Frazier and Norton he had no hope vs Foreman.

Seriously i hear the Violent squad is the place to go for complete baffoons.

[smashup]

Just out of interest what makes you think Kelly will beat Popkins?
Don't be so sure he will fella,Pop will frustrate Pavlik and put him in a place he's never been before and he bangs harder than Taylor and Taylor had him their for the taking

[Markusdarkus]

Just out of interest what makes you think Kelly will beat Popkins?
Don't be so sure he will fella,Pop will frustrate Pavlik and put him in a place he's never been before and he bangs harder than Taylor and Taylor had him their for the taking

I like Pavlik as a fighter and a person but his fans for the bit part at totally insane.

[Mr140]

I think it was more of a body shot that hurt Taylor and made him slow down in the later rounds i think but i could be wrong. Calzaghe weakness is the right as you can see in the Reid fight so all i while say is this if Pavlik does a number on Hopkins i think he may as well beat Calzaghe. I think his jab and right are going to land and in the later rounds i think hey may drop maybe even stop Calzaghe remeber Legion he not getting any younger maybe Pavlik can make the man look old atleast i hope.

[Fenster]

Eubank was never a devastating puncher. He started going the distance more often cuz his competition level had improved. Eubank used the Watson incident as an excuse for some of the gift wins he got. Eubank knows he should of lost to Malinga and Close. So he blamed it on him having problems stopping fighters since the Watson fight. It was a bullshiit excuse. Truth is Eubank was only a slightly better fighter than them. Look at his fight with John Jarvis. Did it look like he had problems stopping him? No. He threw his right with murderous intend. No hesitation. No thoughts of Watson dancing in his head. That's cuz Jarvis was a bum. No excuse was necessary.

He looked a devastaing puncher against Jarvis

He took Jarvis clean out with one punch. After the Watson fight Eubank would hold back when he had fighters hurt. Everyone saw that (if you followed his career that is ).

I never even knew he BLAMED Watson for his performance against Malinga and Close. What EXACTLY did he say?

One of the biggest criticisms against Eubank was he fought to the level of his opposition. So, it's hardly surprising he didn't look impressive against guys he should thrash

If you followed Eubank career like you said you have you would know that all that Watson talk only came about after his gift wins. He needed something to blame them on

OK.

What EXACTLY did he say?

[leftylee]

Just out of interest what makes you think Kelly will beat Popkins?
Don't be so sure he will fella,Pop will frustrate Pavlik and put him in a place he's never been before and he bangs harder than Taylor and Taylor had him their for the taking

Come on. Kelly done a stupid thing in the first fight and dropped his hands. Who knows why. But he won't do that again. Pavlik will win an ugly UD against Mary Popkins. Popkins is so defensive nowadays. It's almost like the opppnent carries a disease he backs off that much. It's almost as bad as watching Cory Spinks.

[Mr140]

Hang on Calzaghes nuts a bit more Mark i dont think a guy who makes fun of Roy Jones Jr competion and praise Joe competion has any right to judge what i say about boxing. Then makes a stupid theard about chins and includes Jones with the Khan shows what hater you are. Listen Calzaghe has shown nothing in his career that makes him better the Pavlik.

[smashup]

WTF are you on about fella
Hopkins dropped Joe in round 1?
Are you trying to say he did it by accident while "on the defensive"
Tell you what IF he'd have follwed that attack up and put it on Joe through round 2 we might not be having this conversation.
Hopkins can hit and Kelly can be hit 50-50 fight imo.

[Violent Demise]

Smash what has Calzaghe down to show he is way better then Pavlik i mean he in the eyes of alot of people lost to 43 year old Hopkins. Now i know Hopkins hard to look good against but come on if Pavlik does a better job on Hopkins then Calzaghe did then he has nothing then.

"A lot of people" do me a favour did you even watch the fight?
Joe won convincingly in most peoples eyes and even the American pundits had him a clear winner,Hopkins held and made it ugly simply because he couldn't deal with him and i admit Joe struggled for a while to adapt to his shitty style but came through with ease in the latter rounds
As for Pavlik...him being a white man has put silly amounts of pressure on him and the US are crying out for the "great white hope" which is understandable as for years and years it's been blacks and latinos,mexicans who have dominated the sport in the States.
i don't see anyway kelly can win at all,Joe's to skilled a fighter,definately has a better chin and can adapt to styles brilliantly during a fight,his fitness levels are superhuman,oh and he's a southpaw who can box on the back foot beutifully and pick you apart or mix it inside and hit you so often you'd think you were surrounded.
I like Pavlik and he's exciting but he just comes in straight lines with no lateral movement and little head movement which is tailor made for the legend that is Calzaghe.
if i thought Kelly had even a punchers chance then i'd stand up and say but Joe's been in with harder hitters and it's not that Pavlik won't win but more a case of he Can't win.

I fully expect this fight to happen too and would be pissed off with JC if he never took the challenge.
Joe will give him a boxing lesson and make it look easy.

Obviously you claimed to have watched the fight. Answer me this one question. It's pretty fukking simple. I don't want it going over your head. Except for the low blow late in the fight, name me one punch Calzaghe landed in the whole fight that was worthwhile. Or noticeable? Seriously let me know. What round?

He landed nothing significant. He slapped the whole night and couldn't even land cleanly. He got dropped in one round. And hurt in another one. Yet you think he won. I have no doubt in my mind that if Calzaghe was Mexican or from Africa you would be crying that Hopkins was robbed. But he's from the UK. And instead of just being Joe Calzaghe. He's the legend Joe Calzaghe. But that's understandable. If Frank Bruno is considered a legend . Why not Joe?