I know You Enjoy Ripping On Andrew

[ICB]

This is all civilian speak... You'e never been in with real fighters, have you Bruce.

I was 67-3 as an amateur but was never a real fighter. I wanted to be... I trained to be... But at the end of the day I didn't have the goods. I grew up in a boxing family and was nurtured from an early age... I had heart.. I NEVER stayed down even when I should have and was trained by Ronny Cole who has trained some decent fighters. I didn't have the defensive skills I hoped to have... INSTINCTS CAN NOT BE LEARNED!

I amassed to many concussions to continue...

You're talking out your ass a bit

But 67-3 is a pretty damn good record for somebody that never was a real fighter and didn't have the goods Maybe you didn't have the goods to make it as a top fighter, but it seems like good training and desire took you a lot further than most people get.

I guess I comes down to what kind of future in boxing do you mean? You are good case that training, desire, and heart can take you to a certain point. It might not take you to a title belt or a top 10 ranking, but I'd be pretty proud of myself if I had your record.

If you were a 67-3 amateur, you are probably a heck of a lot better than most of the guys SOB is putting out on his Arkansas cards. Even without the best instincts, you training took you to certain point before you hit a wall, no?

One thing is for sure, though, talent or no talent, it takes a certain amount of stones and desire to get into a ring, get hit hard, keep going, and get in the ring again. Fine, I started too late to really compete, but I've sparred with guys who have way more natural talent than me but they freeze up once you touch them a little. I'm old, slow, and limited, but I've held my own against younger, quicker guys who get tentative once they get hit. That's something you can't teach, either. I'm sure you saw the same thing in your amateur career, and from the way way your describe yourself, you probably beat a lot of guys who had more talent by having bigger balls.

I was OK and my record was against lesser opponants. When I stepped up and ended up in the Jr. Olympics I was TKOd... all my losses were TKO. I was unable to continue... always got up... but couldn't continue. As hard as I worked my defense never progressed... I just didn't have the vision. That was my point.

I'm a bit hard on myself sometimes but that's not a bad thing.

Don't be modest POB you were the man end of

[Trainer Monkey]

I somewhat disagree on you with the instinct thing. Instincts can be learned as they are also lost. Passion is what makes a good fighter. You train a child at an early age to be a boxer and most probably he will acquire that so called fighter instinct when he grows up. I know you know what I mean ICB. Talents if not developed is as good as having no talent. We might be looking at Andrew as having no talent because his talent was not developed early. We can not surely judge right now if he has talent or not.

I will give my judgment if he is talented or not after TM train him properly.

This is all civilian speak... You'e never been in with real fighters, have you Bruce.

I was 67-3 as an amateur but was never a real fighter. I wanted to be... I trained to be... But at the end of the day I didn't have the goods. I grew up in a boxing family and was nurtured from an early age... I had heart.. I NEVER stayed down even when I should have and was trained by Ronny Cole who has trained some decent fighters. I didn't have the defensive skills I hoped to have... INSTINCTS CAN NOT BE LEARNED!

I amassed to many concussions to continue...

You're talking out your ass a bit

But 67-3 is a pretty damn good record for somebody that never was a real fighter and didn't have the goods Maybe you didn't have the goods to make it as a top fighter, but it seems like good training and desire took you a lot further than most people get.

I guess I comes down to what kind of future in boxing do you mean? You are good case that training, desire, and heart can take you to a certain point. It might not take you to a title belt or a top 10 ranking, but I'd be pretty proud of myself if I had your record.

If you were a 67-3 amateur, you are probably a heck of a lot better than most of the guys SOB is putting out on his Arkansas cards. Even without the best instincts, you training took you to certain point before you hit a wall, no?

One thing is for sure, though, talent or no talent, it takes a certain amount of stones and desire to get into a ring, get hit hard, keep going, and get in the ring again. Fine, I started too late to really compete, but I've sparred with guys who have way more natural talent than me but they freeze up once you touch them a little. I'm old, slow, and limited, but I've held my own against younger, quicker guys who get tentative once they get hit. That's something you can't teach, either. I'm sure you saw the same thing in your amateur career, and from the way way your describe yourself, you probably beat a lot of guys who had more talent by having bigger balls.

I wish Andrew would develop a little more tentative,one of his biggest problems is he allways wants to come in rather then helping the other guy make his own mistakes

[RozzySean]

This is all civilian speak... You'e never been in with real fighters, have you Bruce.

I was 67-3 as an amateur but was never a real fighter. I wanted to be... I trained to be... But at the end of the day I didn't have the goods. I grew up in a boxing family and was nurtured from an early age... I had heart.. I NEVER stayed down even when I should have and was trained by Ronny Cole who has trained some decent fighters. I didn't have the defensive skills I hoped to have... INSTINCTS CAN NOT BE LEARNED!

I amassed to many concussions to continue...

You're talking out your ass a bit

But 67-3 is a pretty damn good record for somebody that never was a real fighter and didn't have the goods Maybe you didn't have the goods to make it as a top fighter, but it seems like good training and desire took you a lot further than most people get.

I guess I comes down to what kind of future in boxing do you mean? You are good case that training, desire, and heart can take you to a certain point. It might not take you to a title belt or a top 10 ranking, but I'd be pretty proud of myself if I had your record.

If you were a 67-3 amateur, you are probably a heck of a lot better than most of the guys SOB is putting out on his Arkansas cards. Even without the best instincts, you training took you to certain point before you hit a wall, no?

One thing is for sure, though, talent or no talent, it takes a certain amount of stones and desire to get into a ring, get hit hard, keep going, and get in the ring again. Fine, I started too late to really compete, but I've sparred with guys who have way more natural talent than me but they freeze up once you touch them a little. I'm old, slow, and limited, but I've held my own against younger, quicker guys who get tentative once they get hit. That's something you can't teach, either. I'm sure you saw the same thing in your amateur career, and from the way way your describe yourself, you probably beat a lot of guys who had more talent by having bigger balls.

I was OK and my record was against lesser opponants. When I stepped up and ended up in the Jr. Olympics I was TKOd... all my losses were TKO. I was unable to continue... always got up... but couldn't continue. As hard as I worked my defense never progressed... I just didn't have the vision. That was my point.

I'm a bit hard on myself sometimes but that's not a bad thing.

No, it's not. I'm sure you would own me, though

[Trainer Monkey]

This is all civilian speak... You'e never been in with real fighters, have you Bruce.

I was 67-3 as an amateur but was never a real fighter. I wanted to be... I trained to be... But at the end of the day I didn't have the goods. I grew up in a boxing family and was nurtured from an early age... I had heart.. I NEVER stayed down even when I should have and was trained by Ronny Cole who has trained some decent fighters. I didn't have the defensive skills I hoped to have... INSTINCTS CAN NOT BE LEARNED!

I amassed to many concussions to continue...

You're talking out your ass a bit

But 67-3 is a pretty damn good record for somebody that never was a real fighter and didn't have the goods Maybe you didn't have the goods to make it as a top fighter, but it seems like good training and desire took you a lot further than most people get.

I guess I comes down to what kind of future in boxing do you mean? You are good case that training, desire, and heart can take you to a certain point. It might not take you to a title belt or a top 10 ranking, but I'd be pretty proud of myself if I had your record.

If you were a 67-3 amateur, you are probably a heck of a lot better than most of the guys SOB is putting out on his Arkansas cards. Even without the best instincts, you training took you to certain point before you hit a wall, no?

One thing is for sure, though, talent or no talent, it takes a certain amount of stones and desire to get into a ring, get hit hard, keep going, and get in the ring again. Fine, I started too late to really compete, but I've sparred with guys who have way more natural talent than me but they freeze up once you touch them a little. I'm old, slow, and limited, but I've held my own against younger, quicker guys who get tentative once they get hit. That's something you can't teach, either. I'm sure you saw the same thing in your amateur career, and from the way way your describe yourself, you probably beat a lot of guys who had more talent by having bigger balls.

I was OK and my record was against lesser opponants. When I stepped up and ended up in the Jr. Olympics I was TKOd... all my losses were TKO. I was unable to continue... always got up... but couldn't continue. As hard as I worked my defense never progressed... I just didn't have the vision. That was my point.

I'm a bit hard on myself sometimes but that's not a bad thing.

Naww,if you arent hard on yourself,youll never have the desire needed for improvement.
Im brutal on myself,Ill be the first to tell you,I slip for crap,I know how to,but once the bell rings I forget to do it often enough,relying on blocking and reach instead.
And handing me a jump rope is on par with an industry practical joke

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

But 67-3 is a pretty damn good record for somebody that never was a real fighter and didn't have the goods Maybe you didn't have the goods to make it as a top fighter, but it seems like good training and desire took you a lot further than most people get.

I guess I comes down to what kind of future in boxing do you mean? You are good case that training, desire, and heart can take you to a certain point. It might not take you to a title belt or a top 10 ranking, but I'd be pretty proud of myself if I had your record.

If you were a 67-3 amateur, you are probably a heck of a lot better than most of the guys SOB is putting out on his Arkansas cards. Even without the best instincts, you training took you to certain point before you hit a wall, no?

One thing is for sure, though, talent or no talent, it takes a certain amount of stones and desire to get into a ring, get hit hard, keep going, and get in the ring again. Fine, I started too late to really compete, but I've sparred with guys who have way more natural talent than me but they freeze up once you touch them a little. I'm old, slow, and limited, but I've held my own against younger, quicker guys who get tentative once they get hit. That's something you can't teach, either. I'm sure you saw the same thing in your amateur career, and from the way way your describe yourself, you probably beat a lot of guys who had more talent by having bigger balls.

I was OK and my record was against lesser opponants. When I stepped up and ended up in the Jr. Olympics I was TKOd... all my losses were TKO. I was unable to continue... always got up... but couldn't continue. As hard as I worked my defense never progressed... I just didn't have the vision. That was my point.

I'm a bit hard on myself sometimes but that's not a bad thing.

Naww,if you arent hard on yourself,youll never have the desire needed for improvement.
Im brutal on myself,Ill be the first to tell you,I slip for crap,I know how to,but once the bell rings I forget to do it often enough,relying on blocking and reach instead.
And handing me a jump rope is on par with an industry practical joke

What happened to me was I just didn't mind getting hit. It didn't hurt or jar me so I'd walk through two to land one... Thing is is that it only takes one to ring your bell. I loved to brawl and always took pride in the amount of guys I stopped with headgear on...


Namatter how may times we worked on it I couldn't put defense and offense together to be able to counter and slip... Like I said, the vision just wasn't there. I had the training and determination but some guys just aren't built to do some things.

Some things can be learned and some can't... For me anyway, that was one of them, sadly.

[Trainer Monkey]

I was OK and my record was against lesser opponants. When I stepped up and ended up in the Jr. Olympics I was TKOd... all my losses were TKO. I was unable to continue... always got up... but couldn't continue. As hard as I worked my defense never progressed... I just didn't have the vision. That was my point.

I'm a bit hard on myself sometimes but that's not a bad thing.

Naww,if you arent hard on yourself,youll never have the desire needed for improvement.
Im brutal on myself,Ill be the first to tell you,I slip for crap,I know how to,but once the bell rings I forget to do it often enough,relying on blocking and reach instead.
And handing me a jump rope is on par with an industry practical joke

What happened to me was I just didn't mind getting hit. It didn't hurt or jar me so I'd walk through two to land one... Thing is is that it only takes one to ring your bell. I loved to brawl and always took pride in the amount of guys I stopped with headgear on...


Namatter how may times we worked on it I couldn't put defense and offense together to be able to counter and slip... Like I said, the vision just wasn't there. I had the training and determination but some guys just aren't built to do some things.

Some things can be learned and some can't... For me anyway, that was one of them, sadly.

My problem has allways been fighting middle ground,because I dont slip enough,In tight,hey I grew up around Philly your in my wheel well,Ive got long arms so outside is fine and dandy,but middle of the road where you need to slip more,if Im going to take a hard shot,thats where it will be.
I allways thought that with the slipping,alot of my problem was I was never comfortable throwing an extended uppercut,inside I love the punch,but in the middle range where you have to extend it a bit,I was never comfortable,Id rather throw a lunging cross,or a straight right instead