Amir Khan

[leggy]

i think warren will be really protective over khan now wich i think will ruin any chance he has of getting near a world title

[Plopeater]

i think warren will be really protective over khan now wich i think will ruin any chance he has of getting near a world title

Same old story

[Shamrock]

Warren only has Khan left as a name fighter. The problem he has now is that Khan is signed to Sky and expected to fight on PPV. People will probably buy the first Khan comeback fight because either a) They want to see if he get's sparked again or b) they want to see how he reacts when/if he gets tagged with a decent shot. Most from the response to his loss will be for a) which is a shame.

If Warren babies Khan after the first fight back then any sensible fan will stick two fingers up to paying for his next fights which will put the Sky contract in danger forcing Warren to put Khan into a meaningful fight against a live opponent, Which to be honest is what Khan needs. There's no point him fighting tomato cans or road sweepers and padding his record only to get found out when he gets to the stage of fighting for something meaningful. Khan needs a test, learning fights because he has not developed as a pro, especially with his defence.

As for the talk of Bruno... I liked Frank. In the ring he was genuine, he gave a 100%, had a good if slow jab and hit like a mule. On the down side he was slow and lacked altheticism. I wouldn't say he was chinnt because he took shots from Tyson and Lewis that would have put a lot of heavweights straight to sleep. Bruno's problem was one simmilar to Tommy Hearns - when he got hit and hurt he had no natural instinct on what to do. Normally a fighter can hold on or spoil until his head clears but Bruno didn't have that. When he got hurt the whole ball game went to sh*t and he was there for the taking. He had heart though and if only he'd had a bit more fighting instinct to follow up after the left hook that rattled Tyson to his shoes and the overhand right that had Lennox's leg doing strange things could have changed the face of heavweight history. Instead though he was idolised by the British public for being a gallant loser (until winning the title against Oliver 'nutcase' McCall.

This leads to the most frustrating issue of the British fight fan. This tendancy to love the guy who try's and fails. It's a trait that I don't see from any other Nation. We had Eubank unbeaten and winning the title in a fercoucios battle with Benn loathed by his home country fans. Eubank did not start getting general support or just recognition until he lost !!! The same with Naseem Hamed (although he lost and never really came back...).

It takes a certain level of self belief bordering or often passing to arrogance to be a winner and for whatever reason the British public can't stomach that. We need to overcome that hurdle and start getting behind the winners as much as we as support the losers.

[Fenster]

Is it really still the case (if it ever was) that Brits don't like winners? I think it just comes down to personality. As you said (Shamrock) -winners normally share an unwavering win mentality, arrogance, that doesn't make them appeal, which is probably the reason people don't want to celebrate their success.

Eubank played the role of villian. Naz was as equally liked as disliked, wasn't he?

Did people really love Bruno more because of his defeats?

Lennox Lewis had an "American" accent and was the opposite of Bruno personality wise.

Hatton was a win machine "everyone" loved. He seems to have lost fans since his defeat.

[Shamrock]

Is it really still the case (if it ever was) that Brits don't like winners? I think it just comes down to personality. As you said (Shamrock) -winners normally share an unwavering win mentality, arrogance, that doesn't make them appeal, which is probably the reason people don't want to celebrate their success.

Eubank played the role of villian. Naz was as equally liked as disliked, wasn't he?

Did people really love Bruno more because of his defeats?

Lennox Lewis had an "American" accent and was the opposite of Bruno personality wise.

Hatton was a win machine "everyone" loved. He seems to have lost fans since his defeat.

Eubank was villanised by the press. They twisted virtually everything he said. He called boxing a mugs game - and was actually speaking up for fighters by making that statement but it was turned against him. Looking back it's almost impossible to find positive press on Chris and yet he was doing positive things including a lot of comunity work. The problem is Eubank visiting a school to give kids a pep talk isn't considered news.

Eubanks views never changed and yet after he lost - expecially to Thompson - the public fell in love with him.

Naz was hated in his prime by a lot of British fans - still is. Would the public perception have changed if he had fought on after fighting MAB - who knows...

Arrogance - confidence it's a fine line but I think you have to accept and appreciate that to be a winner in any sport especilly boxing you need it.

[Fenster]

Is it really still the case (if it ever was) that Brits don't like winners? I think it just comes down to personality. As you said (Shamrock) -winners normally share an unwavering win mentality, arrogance, that doesn't make them appeal, which is probably the reason people don't want to celebrate their success.

Eubank played the role of villian. Naz was as equally liked as disliked, wasn't he?

Did people really love Bruno more because of his defeats?

Lennox Lewis had an "American" accent and was the opposite of Bruno personality wise.

Hatton was a win machine "everyone" loved. He seems to have lost fans since his defeat.

Eubank was villanised by the press. They twisted virtually everything he said. He called boxing a mugs game - and was actually speaking up for fighters by making that statement but it was turned against him. Looking back it's almost impossible to find positive press on Chris and yet he was doing positive things including a lot of comunity work. The problem is Eubank visiting a school to give kids a pep talk isn't considered news.

Eubanks views never changed and yet after he lost - expecially to Thompson - the public fell in love with him.

Naz was hated in his prime by a lot of British fans - still is. Would the public perception have changed if he had fought on after fighting MAB - who knows...

Arrogance - confidence it's a fine line but I think you have to accept and appreciate that to be a winner in any sport especilly boxing you need it.

Without doubt.

But i think it's personality people don't like not the fact someone is a dominant winner.

Ive seen Eubank say he enjoyed playing his ROLE. Like or loathe him he ENTERTAINED. I think he did change towards the end of his career, seemed far more humble.. or maybe the press painted a slightly different picture of him.. or maybe he was more liked because he was in two great fights with Thompson - considering he spent the bulk of his title reign in borefests.. so, i guess LOSING plays it's part, but is not the no.1 reason for the publics change of heart.

(something like that )

[leggy]

American" accent and was the opposite of Bruno personality wise.

Hatton was a win machine "everyone" loved. He seems to have lost fans since his defeat.

i dont think hattons lost fans ? 57 000 watching at manchester plenty others would of if they could

[Fenster]

American" accent and was the opposite of Bruno personality wise.

Hatton was a win machine "everyone" loved. He seems to have lost fans since his defeat.

i dont think hattons lost fans ? 57 000 watching at manchester plenty others would of if they could

I meant amongst hardcore fans, many seem to have cooled on him.. (maybe not, i'm probably seeing something that's not there )

Anyway, the point was, Hatton's tremendous success didn't turn the majority of the public against him

[yvonne]

It was officially annouced that only 50,000 people tuned in ans paid for the Amir Khans fight.Its mention in this months Boxing Monthly Mag!Im not dishing Khan because i actually like him alot!but there was no way that he was worth PPV though.

Ha,ha,ha!Deserves you right SKY SPORTS"You robbing twats!"Who where you trying to kid

[leggy]

American" accent and was the opposite of Bruno personality wise.

Hatton was a win machine "everyone" loved. He seems to have lost fans since his defeat.

i dont think hattons lost fans ? 57 000 watching at manchester plenty others would of if they could

I meant amongst hardcore fans, many seem to have cooled on him.. (maybe not, i'm probably seeing something that's not there )

Anyway, the point was, Hatton's tremendous success didn't turn the majority of the public against him

i think its because he has had to work really hard to get were he got where khan hasn't yet i dont think

[Hume]

Warren only has Khan left as a name fighter. The problem he has now is that Khan is signed to Sky and expected to fight on PPV. People will probably buy the first Khan comeback fight because either a) They want to see if he get's sparked again or b) they want to see how he reacts when/if he gets tagged with a decent shot. Most from the response to his loss will be for a) which is a shame.

If Warren babies Khan after the first fight back then any sensible fan will stick two fingers up to paying for his next fights which will put the Sky contract in danger forcing Warren to put Khan into a meaningful fight against a live opponent, Which to be honest is what Khan needs. There's no point him fighting tomato cans or road sweepers and padding his record only to get found out when he gets to the stage of fighting for something meaningful. Khan needs a test, learning fights because he has not developed as a pro, especially with his defence.

As for the talk of Bruno... I liked Frank. In the ring he was genuine, he gave a 100%, had a good if slow jab and hit like a mule. On the down side he was slow and lacked altheticism. I wouldn't say he was chinnt because he took shots from Tyson and Lewis that would have put a lot of heavweights straight to sleep. Bruno's problem was one simmilar to Tommy Hearns - when he got hit and hurt he had no natural instinct on what to do. Normally a fighter can hold on or spoil until his head clears but Bruno didn't have that. When he got hurt the whole ball game went to sh*t and he was there for the taking. He had heart though and if only he'd had a bit more fighting instinct to follow up after the left hook that rattled Tyson to his shoes and the overhand right that had Lennox's leg doing strange things could have changed the face of heavweight history. Instead though he was idolised by the British public for being a gallant loser (until winning the title against Oliver 'nutcase' McCall.

This leads to the most frustrating issue of the British fight fan. This tendancy to love the guy who try's and fails. It's a trait that I don't see from any other Nation. We had Eubank unbeaten and winning the title in a fercoucios battle with Benn loathed by his home country fans. Eubank did not start getting general support or just recognition until he lost !!! The same with Naseem Hamed (although he lost and never really came back...).

It takes a certain level of self belief bordering or often passing to arrogance to be a winner and for whatever reason the British public can't stomach that. We need to overcome that hurdle and start getting behind the winners as much as we as support the losers.

totally agree with this post.

[leggy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMwoYT9L7gE

[Mark TKO]

has to be Thaxton next to sell this one I feel if it is to be ppv - and to put him in with someone who will certainly test him.


I think Thaxton deserves his shot too after so long - and I haved to say I think Thaxton will do him.

As for a Prescott rematch - if he keeps winning he will have to face him at some stage !

Anyone know if Presott has a fight lined up yet - I will be keeping an eye on his career now

[Shamrock]

has to be Thaxton next to sell this one I feel if it is to be ppv - and to put him in with someone who will certainly test him.


I think Thaxton deserves his shot too after so long - and I haved to say I think Thaxton will do him.

As for a Prescott rematch - if he keeps winning he will have to face him at some stage !

Anyone know if Presott has a fight lined up yet - I will be keeping an eye on his career now

Warren will not put Khan in with Thaxton. After being knocked out in his last fight it would be suicidal to put him in with a guy who can hit like Jonathan.

Khan will be put in with somone with a record that looks good on paper but he will be a none puncher. People will tune in too see if Khan is gun shy. He won't be. He'll be cautious and it will take a few fights for hin to get his full confidence back. If Khan is schooled right he will win a rematch down the line with Prescott. Just like Nigel Benn after Michael Watson he will mature and come back stronger.