Pavlik's weight/Bob Arum

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Tarver's glove touched the canvas didn't it. that's hardly what i call a knockdwon. Technically yes but not much of a knockdown. Tarver went off balance.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Pavlik couldn't cope with hopkins speed of body or hand movement. he did really well against taylor but couldn't even hit hopkins.

[SweetPea]

Fighters make this mistake over and over and over again. When you move up in weight, there's not a rule saying you have to put on extra weight!!!!!!

Pavlik should have trained just like he does for a 160 pound fight. He's never lost at that weight, why change anything?

I thought Pavlik would win the fight, but when I saw he weighed in at 169, that was a red flag to me.

This same issue will come up with Oscar-Pac. Manny should train exactly like he did for the Diaz fight at 135. If Manny weighs in at more than 137 or 138 pounds, that's a very bad sign IMO.

[Wayne]

Fighters make this mistake over and over and over again. When you move up in weight, there's not a rule saying you have to put on extra weight!!!!!!

Pavlik should have trained just like he does for a 160 pound fight. He's never lost at that weight, why change anything?

I thought Pavlik would win the fight, but when I saw he weighed in at 169, that was a red flag to me.

This same issue will come up with Oscar-Pac. Manny should train exactly like he did for the Diaz fight at 135. If Manny weighs in at more than 137 or 138 pounds, that's a very bad sign IMO.

But do they have a max difference by which Pac has to meet? Y'know, like Pac can weigh no more less than 3 pounds under 147.

[SweetPea]

Fighters make this mistake over and over and over again. When you move up in weight, there's not a rule saying you have to put on extra weight!!!!!!

Pavlik should have trained just like he does for a 160 pound fight. He's never lost at that weight, why change anything?

I thought Pavlik would win the fight, but when I saw he weighed in at 169, that was a red flag to me.

This same issue will come up with Oscar-Pac. Manny should train exactly like he did for the Diaz fight at 135. If Manny weighs in at more than 137 or 138 pounds, that's a very bad sign IMO.

But do they have a max difference by which Pac has to meet? Y'know, like Pac can weigh no more less than 3 pounds under 147.

Not to my knowledge. I've never heard of a minimum weight limit before, and I don't see why Pac/Arum would have ever agreed to anything of that nature. You can weigh in as light as you want.

[Pugilistic]

I don't think Pavlik could of handled Hopkins at any weight really.

Hopkins is simply a bad style match up for him.

Pavlik is most effective when he can bully, outwork and when his opponents are right there in front of him.

Hopkins is a big strong guy and i knew Pavlik wouldn't be able to bully him, I knew Hopkins lateral movement, defense, strength on the inside and accuracy would leave pavlik confused and frustrated. Hopkins power even slowed down Pavlik's workrate.

[p4pking]

Fighters make this mistake over and over and over again. When you move up in weight, there's not a rule saying you have to put on extra weight!!!!!!

Pavlik should have trained just like he does for a 160 pound fight. He's never lost at that weight, why change anything?

I thought Pavlik would win the fight, but when I saw he weighed in at 169, that was a red flag to me.

This same issue will come up with Oscar-Pac. Manny should train exactly like he did for the Diaz fight at 135. If Manny weighs in at more than 137 or 138 pounds, that's a very bad sign IMO.

But do they have a max difference by which Pac has to meet? Y'know, like Pac can weigh no more less than 3 pounds under 147.

Not to my knowledge. I've never heard of a minimum weight limit before, and I don't see why Pac/Arum would have ever agreed to anything of that nature. You can weigh in as light as you want.

Suppose Id never thought much about it before, but is that true in championship fights, that there is no minimum weight? I always just assumed that if you were fighting for the Welterweight championship you had to at least tip the scales at 140 or over. Is it just that I've never seen anyone weigh in a full weight division lower, and it would actually be acceptable?

[SweetPea]

But do they have a max difference by which Pac has to meet? Y'know, like Pac can weigh no more less than 3 pounds under 147.

Not to my knowledge. I've never heard of a minimum weight limit before, and I don't see why Pac/Arum would have ever agreed to anything of that nature. You can weigh in as light as you want.

Suppose Id never thought much about it before, but is that true in championship fights, that there is no minimum weight? I always just assumed that if you were fighting for the Welterweight championship you had to at least tip the scales at 140 or over. Is it just that I've never seen anyone weigh in a full weight division lower, and it would actually be acceptable?

There is no minimum weight in any fight, title or non-title. Weight limits are weights that you cannot go over, there is no restriction on how light you can be. Manny could weigh 129 for the fight against Oscar if he felt like it. Roy Jones could have weighed 175 when he fought Ruiz if he had chosen to.

[Tysonbruno]

The Max weight limit was 170lbs Pavlik weighed 169lbs but if he wanted to he could have come in at 160lbs or slightly heavier nobody made him come in at 169lbs that was his and his teams mistake. i think Hopkins would have beat him no matter how much he weighed im shocked a man of 6ft 2inch cant carry 169lbs well strange.

[Rantcatrat]

One thing is for certain because of his problems fighting at 170 we won't see Pavlik in any match-ups discussed at super-middlweight (e.g. Kessler, Bute etc.) Pavlik will definitely stay at 160 for as long as possible. The only exciting fight out there at middleweight is against Abraham. Am I right?

[SweetPea]

One thing is for certain because of his problems fighting at 170 we won't see Pavlik in any match-ups discussed at super-middlweight (e.g. Kessler, Bute etc.) Pavlik will definitely stay at 160 for as long as possible. The only exciting fight out there at middleweight is against Abraham. Am I right?

No, I don't completely agree. Pavlik's problem wasn't that he was fighting above 160, Pavlik's problem was that he was in the ring with a defensive master who gave him all types of angles and confused the hell out of him.

If Pavlik were fighting a stationary 168 or 170 pounder who stood right in front of him, he could have success.

[Jon Paul]

You guys are backing me up here - Pavlik would lose to anybody at 168. I agree.

That's why he should be fighting at 160, no higher.

Oh no, I agree!

[C-Lo]

I guess Miranda was hype and Pavlik is a bad style for Taylor. Pavlik looked dire real dire any big name at 168 would ruin him. He is also very chinny.

How is pavlik chinny he took hard shots frm bhop. calzaghe went down frm 1 right hand.

Each time Pavlik was hurt from B-hop he landed a bunch of shots. Whenever Calzaghe was hurt from Bernard, it was from one shot.

But for sake of a debate, Calzaghe getting knocked down was a fact. Kelly never hit the canvas having taken more shots from Bernard.

Pavlik took some of Hopkins' best shots, chinny isn't a good word.