Calzaghe's legacy.

[Markusdarkus]

Bilbo comparing a great fighter like Felix Trinidad who had the record, for the most Welterweight title defenses in history is madness. Felix Trinidad defeated great fighters and proved time and time again, he belonged against the best of his era.

Jeff Lacy was struggling with the likes of Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, even before the Joe Calzaghe fight for crying out loud. He only got overhyped because he defeated a shot undertrained Robin Reid, who gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle back in 1999.

Im not saying i agree with TM i think he is discrediting Joe Calzaghe, just for the sake of discrediting him. But i think what he is saying is that majority of Joe Calzaghe's best wins are all questionable. I'll give you examples of what i mean Bilbo.

Charles Brewer = Just got stopped in 3 rounds by Antwun Echols.

Richie Woodhall = Just lost Markus Beyer, was also dropped 3 times by feather fisted Markus Beyer.

Chris Eubank = Weight drained.

Robin Reid = Just lost to 40+ Thulani Malinga.

etc.

I mean the only really good wins Joe Calzaghe has had with no question marks is Mikkel Kessler, Jeff Lacy, but as i pointed out to you before. previous fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, proved Jeff Lacy wasn't world class.

And i don't see why that if Joe Calzaghe beats RJJ. That the RJJ win should be hailed as some great win, everyone before this fight considered RJJ. A shot fighter and from his last 2 fights he hasn't really impressed me at all, RJJ does have a chance he still has speed and he is still the bigger man, but come on if this fight was 6 years ago would we be even questioning anything else but a clear cut RJJ win ?

Im not saying its Joe Calzaghe's fault he was in a weak era of the Super Middleweights, but i still think he should of moved up to Light Heavyweight years ago. I remember after the Kabary Salem fight, Joe Calzaghe said he was tight at the weight and struggled to make the Super Middleweight limit.

Ok lets do Roy:


Hopkins = Green

Toney = Weight drained

Bums from 94-03

Tarver = Disputed


Ok lets do Hopkins:


Oscar = Small

Tito = Small

Tarver weight drained


Why do people keep bringing up crap about Calzaghe when EXACTLY the same arguments could be said with Hopkins and Jones.

Calzaghe haters are stupid.

James Toney = was a top 3 P4P fighther he always had weight problems, too much was made out of it. And James Toney in an interview said before the fight he didn't want any excuses regarding his weight. A little bit different to Chris Eubank who was pulled on late notice and only had 1 week to lose 20+ pounds.

RJJ = was just as green as Bernard Hopkins at the pro level, why do people keep using this ridiculous excuse ? RJJ had less fights than Bernard Hopkins.

Antonio Tarver = win was disuputed ? uhh yea whatever people wern't used to seeing RJJ in a close fight, thats why it was disputed at that time. I didn't think it was close at all the rounds were easy to score, and i had RJJ a clear winner by 3 rounds.

ODLH = Legit excuse.

Tito = Well the difference is Bernard Hopkins was a big underdog, Tito was high in the P4P rankings, and destroyed William Joppy like no one else had before. Bernard Hopkins doesn't get enough credit for this win, do you know how much of a favorite Tito was at the time ?

Antonio Tarver = Again Bernard Hopkins was the one moving up 2 weight classes, and was quite a big underdog. If Bernard Hopkins would of lost, there would of been an even more legit excuse for Bernard Hopkins.

One last thing RJJ had many more quality wins against.

Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
Thulani Malinga
Eric Harding
Jorge Fenando Castro

etc.

Listen i could justify the crap you said about Calzaghes wins.

I just cant be bothered.

[ICB]

Ok lets do Roy:


Hopkins = Green

Toney = Weight drained

Bums from 94-03

Tarver = Disputed


Ok lets do Hopkins:


Oscar = Small

Tito = Small

Tarver weight drained


Why do people keep bringing up crap about Calzaghe when EXACTLY the same arguments could be said with Hopkins and Jones.

Calzaghe haters are stupid.

James Toney = was a top 3 P4P fighther he always had weight problems, too much was made out of it. And James Toney in an interview said before the fight he didn't want any excuses regarding his weight. A little bit different to Chris Eubank who was pulled on late notice and only had 1 week to lose 20+ pounds.

RJJ = was just as green as Bernard Hopkins at the pro level, why do people keep using this ridiculous excuse ? RJJ had less fights than Bernard Hopkins.

Antonio Tarver = win was disuputed ? uhh yea whatever people wern't used to seeing RJJ in a close fight, thats why it was disputed at that time. I didn't think it was close at all the rounds were easy to score, and i had RJJ a clear winner by 3 rounds.

ODLH = Legit excuse.

Tito = Well the difference is Bernard Hopkins was a big underdog, Tito was high in the P4P rankings, and destroyed William Joppy like no one else had before. Bernard Hopkins doesn't get enough credit for this win, do you know how much of a favorite Tito was at the time ?

Antonio Tarver = Again Bernard Hopkins was the one moving up 2 weight classes, and was quite a big underdog. If Bernard Hopkins would of lost, there would of been an even more legit excuse for Bernard Hopkins.

One last thing RJJ had many more quality wins against.

Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
Thulani Malinga
Eric Harding
Jorge Fenando Castro

etc.

Listen i could justify the crap you said about Calzaghes wins.

I just cant be bothered.

How can you dispute it ? its facts not opinion's and im not being sarcastic either.

[Mr140]

Well i not a fan of either but if you could be honest about it they both were in weak divsion both would of moved up and fought better people. Only Calzaghe was not lucky enough to have superstars form way lower weights come up i mean i counld not see Oscar or Trinidad beating Calzaghe if they went up to smw and fought him can any of you.