~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

[Kev]

Okay here's the video showing everything leading up to the end of Bute.

As you can see, starting with about 35 seconds left, Bute cannot defend himself at all!! How long should it take a ref to stop the fight if it is clear that he cannot defend himself? Not 35 seconds. A lot of damage could be done to the fighter in that time.

At the 29 second mark, the ref makes a break that I did not think was necessary, and kind of extended it by keeping Andrade away a second time.

Also, isn't the ruling supposed to be, if it's clear that the ropes stop the fighter from going out of the ring, it should be considered a knock down? Just like in the Marquez/Vasquez fight. Look a the 16 second mark, Bute nearly hung himself at that point, and it looks like the ropes kept him in the ring to me. Okay, maybe this one I'm might be grasping a bit. What do you guys think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BD5rCPcXJ0

This time, I really did blow poor Danny's ear drums out!! I started screaming so loud at that fuking ref, Danny had to yell at me to stop.

Well I definitely don't think the referee should have stopped the fight, Bute had won every round apart from the 5th and there was about 30 seconds to go when he started to get in serious trouble.

Believe me if he'd have just waved the fight off and not given Bute a chance to get up he'd have been crucified and rightly so imo.

It was a really difficult call imo, the ref didn't handle it well but it's becuase he's human not because the fight is fixed.

At the end of the day regarding the long count, if the ref has to take responsibility for being over zealous in wasting time making Andrade go back to his corner then Andrade has to take some responsibility in leaving the corner in the first place. He should have gone straight to the corner and not moved.

If you use the excuse that he was excited and emotional (and of course he would be) then you have to give the ref the same benefit.

Very disappointing for Andrade and I really think there should be a rematch but I definitely don't think the fight should have been stopped before the knockdown, and imo he just barely got up within the 10 seconds so should have been allowed to fight on, and by fight I mean wrestle Andrade to the ground and hold on for dear life for the final 4 seconds of fight time

[GuyIncognito76]

Believe me if he'd have just waved the fight off and not given Bute a chance to get up he'd have been crucified and rightly so imo.

No, when Bute stumbled back into the turnbuckle the fight should've been waved off.

[Kev]

[quote=GuyIncognito76;622245]

Believe me if he'd have just waved the fight off and not given Bute a chance to get up he'd have been crucified and rightly so imo.

No, when Bute stumbled back into the turnbuckle the fight should've been waved off.

With 20 seconds left in the fight and him winning all but one of the rounds you would have called it off before he even had a chance to get up?

[GuyIncognito76]

Mayorga had one second and wasn't given a chance, so your point?

[ICB]

Mayorga had one second and wasn't given a chance, so your point?

Ricardo Mayorga was losing the fight and had no chance of winning, Lucian Bute had won almost every single round.

[Rantcatrat]

Mayorga had one second and wasn't given a chance, so your point?

Ricardo Mayorga was losing the fight and had no chance of winning, Lucian Bute had won almost every single round.

Wrong! Did you see the cards? Many thought Mayorga was winning or at least it was very close.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

ibf Uniform Championship Rules - September 2006


rule #10. A boxer who has been knocked down cannot be saved by the bell in any round.

Therefore it doesn't matter if bute got up, what matters is could he continue, and by looking at him there is no way he could continue. He was out on his feet and he couldn't even stand without the help of the ropes. Therefore it should have been ruled a tko win for andrade.

[GuyIncognito76]

Ricardo Mayorga was losing the fight and had no chance of winning, Lucian Bute had won almost every single round.

I actually had Mayorga winning that fight and was suprised when the judges had it to Mosley -the referee couldn't have known in any case (and yes, I know he wasn't getting up anyway )

[Spicoli]

Been stewing on this at work earlier.They do have a standing 8 in Canada as well right??Would have been a perfect time with Bute prior to the KD.

One thing,The Bell was late as can be.Bute hit the deck with 1 or 2 seconds left in the round and No bell sounded what so ever,surley Bute's corner new the clock expired?It only rang once the Ref finished 8 count,wiped the gloves and turned to let it continue.......I believe it was Bute's corner man that worked the ref and pointed too Andrade near the corner.

I fully think the ref was biased,calling breaks after Andrade landed clean on a few occasions,B.S KD called on him and not calling the hugging by Bute but.......truth be told Imo And I have no interest at all in Bute and really like Andrade but Bute beat the count,all the ref had to do was ignore Andrade,toll an 8 count,and the fight was well over...no dispute

[ICB]

[quote=Bilbo;622250]

No, when Bute stumbled back into the turnbuckle the fight should've been waved off.

With 20 seconds left in the fight and him winning all but one of the rounds you would have called it off before he even had a chance to get up?

There was about 3 seconds left in the fight when Lucian Bute went down i think.

[killersheep]

[quote=ICB;622269]

With 20 seconds left in the fight and him winning all but one of the rounds you would have called it off before he even had a chance to get up?

There was about 3 seconds left in the fight when Lucian Bute went down i think.

At what point was Bute unable to defend himself is the real question though.