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    Default Re: ~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

    Been stewing on this at work earlier.They do have a standing 8 in Canada as well right??Would have been a perfect time with Bute prior to the KD.

    One thing,The Bell was late as can be.Bute hit the deck with 1 or 2 seconds left in the round and No bell sounded what so ever,surley Bute's corner new the clock expired?It only rang once the Ref finished 8 count,wiped the gloves and turned to let it continue.......I believe it was Bute's corner man that worked the ref and pointed too Andrade near the corner.

    I fully think the ref was biased,calling breaks after Andrade landed clean on a few occasions,B.S KD called on him and not calling the hugging by Bute but.......truth be told Imo And I have no interest at all in Bute and really like Andrade but Bute beat the count,all the ref had to do was ignore Andrade,toll an 8 count,and the fight was well over...no dispute

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    Default Re: ~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

    Fuck You Marlon B. Wright!!!
    Fuck You Every Single Time You Breath...

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    Default Re: ~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

    To be fair he stood in time, and there was 6 seconds left when he was knocked down, whether the ref had counted to 8 or not Andrade wouldn't have been able to seal the deal. I think it was bs job by Marlon, but that screw up the end didn't change anything, he should have stopped it sooner this could ruin Bute, but that knockdown didn't change anything in terms of finishing the fight. I also think they must have stopped the time when The ref went to scold Andrade or else it would have finished sooner.

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    Default Re: ~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    To be fair he stood in time, and there was 6 seconds left when he was knocked down, whether the ref had counted to 8 or not Andrade wouldn't have been able to seal the deal. I think it was bs job by Marlon, but that screw up the end didn't change anything, he should have stopped it sooner this could ruin Bute, but that knockdown didn't change anything in terms of finishing the fight. I also think they must have stopped the time when The ref went to scold Andrade or else it would have finished sooner.
    Agreed. The ref did a horrible job, but the long count by itself wasn't the difference in the fight. Bute was on his feet in less than 10 seconds.

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    Default Re: ~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

    i know it's vague about a fighter that get's up after being knocked down but here is the ibf uniform championship rule as of september 2006.


    10. A boxer who has been knocked down cannot be saved by the bell in any round.

    Does that include a fighter who gets to his feet but obviously can't continue? He cannot be saved by the bell in any round therefore if he is not fit to fight after the 8 count then the fight should have been scored a tko.

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    Default Re: ~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

    Quote Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer View Post
    i know it's vague about a fighter that get's up after being knocked down but here is the ibf uniform championship rule as of september 2006.


    10. A boxer who has been knocked down cannot be saved by the bell in any round.

    Does that include a fighter who gets to his feet but obviously can't continue? He cannot be saved by the bell in any round therefore if he is not fit to fight after the 8 count then the fight should have been scored a tko.
    Only if he wanted to board the next plane out of there and enter the witness protection program .It can be confusing and hard to inforce.Ive seen the bell ring at the end of a final round with a fighter rising from KD and the ref not even finish count...just usher him over to waiting cornermen and wait for the cards to be read.Bottom line really,Wright was terrible earlier on,played favorites big time.

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    Default Re: ~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins View Post
    Been stewing on this at work earlier.They do have a standing 8 in Canada as well right??Would have been a perfect time with Bute prior to the KD.

    One thing,The Bell was late as can be.Bute hit the deck with 1 or 2 seconds left in the round and No bell sounded what so ever,surley Bute's corner new the clock expired?It only rang once the Ref finished 8 count,wiped the gloves and turned to let it continue.......I believe it was Bute's corner man that worked the ref and pointed too Andrade near the corner.

    I fully think the ref was biased,calling breaks after Andrade landed clean on a few occasions,B.S KD called on him and not calling the hugging by Bute but.......truth be told Imo And I have no interest at all in Bute and really like Andrade but Bute beat the count,all the ref had to do was ignore Andrade,toll an 8 count,and the fight was well over...no dispute
    That's what I was thinking too. I didn't see the fight so I don't know how bad Wright was besides that.

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    Default Re: ~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

    Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

    If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

    I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


    Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick View Post
    Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

    If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

    I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


    Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.
    Wow talk about being hostile just for people having different opinions, first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much and Librado Andrade was also allowed to get away with some elbows and etc on the inside.

    So it works both ways secondly yes the ref warning Librado Andrade about holding was ridiculous. But that was only twice in the fight wasn't it ? thirdly i'll counter that argument by saying do you think if Julio Cesar Chavez would of been in the same situation as Meldrick Taylor, do you think the ref would of stopped the fight ?

    You always defend Richard Steele in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, by saying that the ref's decision is final right ? even though Richard Steele was clearly counting fast and didn't even give Meldrick Taylor time to respond, Lucian Bute went down he got up at the count of 8. The ref see Librado Andrade slightly walking out of the neutral corner, because maybe he thought he was going to the center of the ring.

    So Librado Andrade has to take some blame for that aswell, but whatever the reason its all irrelvant because the time in the round was up. All that mattered at that time was the ref's decision whether or not to let the fight continue. Lucian Bute looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref, infact i don't think any rules were broken at all if you look at the IBF rules.

    I also think it would of been even more of a traversity, if Librado Andrade would of been awarded the fight when there was no time left in the round.
    Last edited by ICB; 10-26-2008 at 09:34 PM.

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    Default Re: ~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick View Post
    Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

    If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

    I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


    Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.
    Wow talk about being hostile just for people having different opinions, first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much and Librado Andrade was also allowed to get away with some elbows and etc on the inside.

    So it works both ways secondly yes the ref warning Librado Andrade about holding was ridiculous. But that was only twice in the fight wasn't it ? thirdly i'll counter that argument by saying do you think if Julio Cesar Chavez would of been in the same situation as Meldrick Taylor, do you think the ref would of stopped the fight ?

    You always defend Richard Steele in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, by saying that the ref's decision is final right ? even though Richard Steele was clearly counting fast and didn't even give Meldrick Taylor time to respond, Lucian Bute went down he got up at the count of 8. The ref see Librado Andrade slightly walking out of the neutral corner, because maybe he thought he was going to the center of the ring.

    So Librado Andrade has to take some blame for that aswell, but whatever the reason its all irrelvant because the time in the round was up. All that mattered at that time was the ref's decision whether or not to let the fight continue. Lucian Bute looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref, infact i don't think any rules were broken at all if you look at the IBF rules.

    I also think it would of been even more of a traversity, if Librado Andrade would of been awarded the fight when there was no time left in the round.
    One thing I would like to point out. Why, and how, did the ref see Andrade supposedly move from the corner? When Bute went down, he instructed Andrade to go to the opposite corner, which Andrade did, Wright started his count with his back to Andrade, so why in the middle of his count would he check on Andrade? How many refs do you see do that in the middle of their count? Does he have eyes in the back of his head that we don't know about, or maybe someone from Bute's corner was saying something to him?

    Andrade was no where near the knock down, in fact he was far enough away that he wasn't visible from the panned out shot with the camera. So he was maybe 3 feet from the corner? So what, the fighters are not required to be leaning up against the posts, no fighter does that. So why was it such a big deal for this fight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick View Post
    Sone of you guys are fucken ridiculous...

    If you can't see that the ref. clearly "helped" Bute throughout the whole fight then you fucken blind and or just don't cope things.

    I'll counter the arguements with something simple.


    Would it have been Andrade who was on queer street, falling allover the place and being held up by the ropes and taking that HUGE shot like that from Bute the fight would have been waived off and if you can't agree with that then. FUCK YOU TOO.
    Wow talk about being hostile just for people having different opinions, first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much and Librado Andrade was also allowed to get away with some elbows and etc on the inside.

    So it works both ways secondly yes the ref warning Librado Andrade about holding was ridiculous. But that was only twice in the fight wasn't it ? thirdly i'll counter that argument by saying do you think if Julio Cesar Chavez would of been in the same situation as Meldrick Taylor, do you think the ref would of stopped the fight ?

    You always defend Richard Steele in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, by saying that the ref's decision is final right ? even though Richard Steele was clearly counting fast and didn't even give Meldrick Taylor time to respond, Lucian Bute went down he got up at the count of 8. The ref see Librado Andrade slightly walking out of the neutral corner, because maybe he thought he was going to the center of the ring.

    So Librado Andrade has to take some blame for that aswell, but whatever the reason its all irrelvant because the time in the round was up. All that mattered at that time was the ref's decision whether or not to let the fight continue. Lucian Bute looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref, infact i don't think any rules were broken at all if you look at the IBF rules.

    I also think it would of been even more of a traversity, if Librado Andrade would of been awarded the fight when there was no time left in the round.
    One thing I would like to point out. Why, and how, did the ref see Andrade supposedly move from the corner? When Bute went down, he instructed Andrade to go to the opposite corner, which Andrade did, Wright started his count with his back to Andrade, so why in the middle of his count would he check on Andrade? How many refs do you see do that in the middle of their count? Does he have eyes in the back of his head that we don't know about, or maybe someone from Bute's corner was saying something to him?

    Andrade was no where near the knock down, in fact he was far enough away that he wasn't visible from the panned out shot with the camera. So he was maybe 3 feet from the corner? So what, the fighters are not required to be leaning up against the posts, no fighter does that. So why was it such a big deal for this fight?
    This might explain it a bit better its the IBF rules.

    4. When a contestant has been knocked down, the referee will order the standing contestant to the farthest neutral corner and begin the count. If the contestant standing leaves the corner before the count has been completed, the referee shall discontinue the count and order the standing contestant back into the corner. The count will not resume until the standing contestant has returned to the neutral corner.

    Im not saying what the ref done is right Diane but with hindsight its irrelvant if you think about it, because the time in the round was over so Librado Andrade couldn't have got another chance it was impossible.

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    Default Re: ~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

    That's all well and good, if the fighter is moving toward the center of the ring, but he was standing in the vincinity of the corner, just as all fighters do. The ref clearly used that rule to his advantage to explain his incompetence.

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