Bute v. Andrade Poll

[hfahrenheit]

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You have to love conjecture presented as fact--

montsegur1234, you're truly an idiot. Bute went down because he got KTFO.

No he is right Bute did exchange punches in the 12th round to give the crowd a show, he almost payed for it. It was a good learning experience for him that you never have the fight in the bag until all 12 rounds have been completed.

No, you're saying what he should have: "he exchanged punches in the 12th to give the crowd a show."

He said "he went down just to give the crowd a show..." -he's attempting to diminish the knock down.

And, I disagree with you both with your usage of the word ALMOST... he traded punches and got put on the canvas. That's paying for it; there's no almost about it.

[ICB]

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No he is right Bute did exchange punches in the 12th round to give the crowd a show, he almost payed for it. It was a good learning experience for him that you never have the fight in the bag until all 12 rounds have been completed.

No, you're saying what he should have: "he exchanged punches in the 12th to give the crowd a show."

He said "he went down just to give the crowd a show..." -he's attempting to diminish the knock down.

And, I disagree with you both with your usage of the word ALMOST... he traded punches and got put on the canvas. That's paying for it; there's no almost about it.

Ahh my bad i did misread that i agree with you on that is indeed ridiculous, but i disagree with you that Bute deserved to lose. The timer in the round was up so regardless of the ref. Ridiculously telling off Andrade about not being in the neutral corner is irrelvant. Because Andrade wouldn't have got another chance to finish Bute.

The only thing that should be controversial with hindsight, is whether or not the ref should of let Bute finish the fight. Bute did get up at the count 8, he looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref.

No rules were actually broken although the ref did clearly use the rules to his advantage, but if Andrade would of been given the fight with no time left in the round. I think that would of been a traversity IMO, it would be Julio Cesar Chavez vs Meldrick Taylor all over again.

[montsegur1234]

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No, you're saying what he should have: "he exchanged punches in the 12th to give the crowd a show."

He said "he went down just to give the crowd a show..." -he's attempting to diminish the knock down.

And, I disagree with you both with your usage of the word ALMOST... he traded punches and got put on the canvas. That's paying for it; there's no almost about it.

Ahh my bad i did misread that i agree with you on that is indeed ridiculous, but i disagree with you that Bute deserved to lose. The timer in the round was up so regardless of the ref. Ridiculously telling off Andrade about not being in the neutral corner is irrelvant. Because Andrade wouldn't have got another chance to finish Bute.

The only thing that should be controversial with hindsight, is whether or not the ref should of let Bute finish the fight. Bute did get up at the count 8, he looked at his corner twice so he was still aware, and he responded to the ref.

No rules were actually broken although the ref did clearly use the rules to his advantage, but if Andrade would of been given the fight with no time left in the round. I think that would of been a traversity IMO, it would be Julio Cesar Chavez vs Meldrick Taylor all over again.

Hey guys,

Of course I meant that Bute could have averted the risk of being knocked out with more disciplined boxing in the 12th. But he was indeed knocked out. However, I understand how my comment could have been interpreted differently. But people must say a lot of outlandish stuff on this forum for you guys to think this lol.

All I am saying is that Bute would have won the fight in any event.
It would have been another story altogether if the knockout had occurred 1 min before.

[HattonTheHammer]

Part of me actually feels sorry for marlon

Biggest fight of his career and real chance to shine and he totally choked under the pressure of a big moment.

Andrade has every right to feel robbed, had the ref of done his proper job bute would of got the standing 8 with a good 10 seconds left and marlon would of had to stop the contest as he was clearly out.

But lets not forget bute had won 8 of the previous 11 rounds and but for a lapse in concentration late on was the better man on the night.

Me thinks a rematch is in order!!!!!!!!!!

[montsegur1234]

Part of me actually feels sorry for marlon

Biggest fight of his career and real chance to shine and he totally choked under the pressure of a big moment.

Andrade has every right to feel robbed, had the ref of done his proper job bute would of got the standing 8 with a good 10 seconds left and marlon would of had to stop the contest as he was clearly out.

But lets not forget bute had won 8 of the previous 11 rounds and but for a lapse in concentration late on was the better man on the night.

Me thinks a rematch is in order!!!!!!!!!!

This was a lose-lose freak situation for Wright. He has always been a very meticulous referree and it's really a shame.
He applied the neutral corner rule yet there is controversy for overzealous application of the rules.
If he hadn't applied the neutral corner rule, there would have been a controversy as well.
And imagine if he had declared Bute unfit to pursue with 5 seconds left. Bute dominated the fight. He called it right.

[HattonTheHammer]

Part of me actually feels sorry for marlon

Biggest fight of his career and real chance to shine and he totally choked under the pressure of a big moment.

Andrade has every right to feel robbed, had the ref of done his proper job bute would of got the standing 8 with a good 10 seconds left and marlon would of had to stop the contest as he was clearly out.

But lets not forget bute had won 8 of the previous 11 rounds and but for a lapse in concentration late on was the better man on the night.

Me thinks a rematch is in order!!!!!!!!!!

This was a lose-lose freak situation for Wright. He has always been a very meticulous referree and it's really a shame.
He applied the neutral corner rule yet there is controversy for overzealous application of the rules.
If he hadn't applied the neutral corner rule, there would have been a controversy as well.
And imagine if he had declared Bute unfit to pursue with 5 seconds left. Bute dominated the fight. He called it right.

Mayorga got stopped when the final bell went and he clearly was in contention to win the fight on points. From the 1st bell to the last it is the refs job to apply the rules all the way through the fight and not make any special dispensations for particular situations.

Andrade was more than far enough away to be considered in his neutral corner and even when he did go right into it wright continued to shout orders at him knowing full well bute was earning the time to drag himself and show the ref his gloves.

Had the situation of been handled correctly bute would of got the standing 8 with a good 6-7seconds left and the ref considering the physical state he was in and that andrade could quite easily of walked up and smashed bute in the head causing severe damage would of had no option but to call the fight off and declare andrade winner via TKO.

[Rantcatrat]

How does everyone like my new Andrade avatar? Just fishing for compliments....ahaha.

[montsegur1234]

Part of me actually feels sorry for marlon

Biggest fight of his career and real chance to shine and he totally choked under the pressure of a big moment.

Andrade has every right to feel robbed, had the ref of done his proper job bute would of got the standing 8 with a good 10 seconds left and marlon would of had to stop the contest as he was clearly out.

But lets not forget bute had won 8 of the previous 11 rounds and but for a lapse in concentration late on was the better man on the night.

Me thinks a rematch is in order!!!!!!!!!!

This was a lose-lose freak situation for Wright. He has always been a very meticulous referree and it's really a shame.
He applied the neutral corner rule yet there is controversy for overzealous application of the rules.
If he hadn't applied the neutral corner rule, there would have been a controversy as well.
And imagine if he had declared Bute unfit to pursue with 5 seconds left. Bute dominated the fight. He called it right.

Mayorga got stopped when the final bell went and he clearly was in contention to win the fight on points. From the 1st bell to the last it is the refs job to apply the rules all the way through the fight and not make any special dispensations for particular situations.

Andrade was more than far enough away to be considered in his neutral corner and even when he did go right into it wright continued to shout orders at him knowing full well bute was earning the time to drag himself and show the ref his gloves.

Had the situation of been handled correctly bute would of got the standing 8 with a good 6-7seconds left and the ref considering the physical state he was in and that andrade could quite easily of walked up and smashed bute in the head causing severe damage would of had no option but to call the fight off and declare andrade winner via TKO.

A valid point. Yet even if one were to admit your hypothesis, I don't believe that the call would have been so crystal clear. Bottom line, a rematch is in order.
And whether the referee erred or not - I think that valid points can be made for both contentions -, it's a shame that a fight of such quality was tarnished by controversy.

[Chicali]

Blame Canada! Wright was Wrong, Andrade's corner should of lit him up some more. Bute was out cold.

[montsegur1234]

Andrade didn't want to remain in the neutral corner because his only shot at punching Bute again was to start fighting from the middle of the ring.
Bute was in no danger as there were only two seconds left in the round and Andrade didn't have time to reach him from the neutral corner. Not only did the referee actually get it right but Bute would have won under any scenario.

[montsegur1234]

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No he is right Bute did exchange punches in the 12th round to give the crowd a show, he almost payed for it. It was a good learning experience for him that you never have the fight in the bag until all 12 rounds have been completed.

No, you're saying what he should have: "he exchanged punches in the 12th to give the crowd a show."

He said "he went down just to give the crowd a show..." -he's attempting to diminish the knock down.

And, I disagree with you both with your usage of the word ALMOST... he traded punches and got put on the canvas. That's paying for it; there's no almost about it.

I am not diminishing the knock down. He just shouldn't have put himself in the position of trading punches in the 12th round of a fight in which he completely dominated. I am looking forward to the rematch; notwithstanding the controversy, it was a great fight.