Best Super Middleweight of all time to date?

[Ghost]

OK let's approach this logically then, this is all according to boxrec, because I don't know anything about the guy. He fought for a regional heavyweight and middleweight title losing both, never fought anyone of note. Furthermore his few recorded weigh-ins had him in at middleweight and light heavyweight limits. I don't see how he is relevant. I don't see how you can consider him a super middleweight either. Please find another example or at least explain how he was a Super Middleweight.

You are missing my point killersheep, The question was "Who is the Best Super Middleweight of All Time"? As there are 1000's of boxers who have fought at 168lbs over the years,(since time began) that no-one has ever seen or heard of, how can a winner or answer to question be given?

If the question was limited to the years between 1984 and now, different story. But "All Time" covers a greater time frame.

[killersheep]

OK let's approach this logically then, this is all according to boxrec, because I don't know anything about the guy. He fought for a regional heavyweight and middleweight title losing both, never fought anyone of note. Furthermore his few recorded weigh-ins had him in at middleweight and light heavyweight limits. I don't see how he is relevant. I don't see how you can consider him a super middleweight either. Please find another example or at least explain how he was a Super Middleweight.

You are missing my point killersheep, The question was "Who is the Best Super Middleweight of All Time"? As there are 1000's of boxers who have fought at 168lbs over the years,(since time began) that no-one has ever seen or heard of, how can a winner or answer to question be given?

If the question was limited to the years between 1984 and now, different story. But "All Time" covers a greater time frame.

I guess my interpretation of it was "the best super middleweight of all time"
as opposed to "the best 168 lb. fighter of all-time" and since the title "Super Middleweight" came into existence in 1984 I foolishly assumed that would constitute a statute of limitations. You're right.

[Ghost]

OK let's approach this logically then, this is all according to boxrec, because I don't know anything about the guy. He fought for a regional heavyweight and middleweight title losing both, never fought anyone of note. Furthermore his few recorded weigh-ins had him in at middleweight and light heavyweight limits. I don't see how he is relevant. I don't see how you can consider him a super middleweight either. Please find another example or at least explain how he was a Super Middleweight.

You are missing my point killersheep, The question was "Who is the Best Super Middleweight of All Time"? As there are 1000's of boxers who have fought at 168lbs over the years,(since time began) that no-one has ever seen or heard of, how can a winner or answer to question be given?

If the question was limited to the years between 1984 and now, different story. But "All Time" covers a greater time frame.

I guess my interpretation of it was "the best super middleweight of all time"
as opposed to "the best 168 lb. fighter of all-time" and since the title "Super Middleweight" came into existence in 1984 I foolishly assumed that would constitute a statute of limitations. You're right.

It was just a matter of "Time"

[killersheep]

You are missing my point killersheep, The question was "Who is the Best Super Middleweight of All Time"? As there are 1000's of boxers who have fought at 168lbs over the years,(since time began) that no-one has ever seen or heard of, how can a winner or answer to question be given?

If the question was limited to the years between 1984 and now, different story. But "All Time" covers a greater time frame.

I guess my interpretation of it was "the best super middleweight of all time"
as opposed to "the best 168 lb. fighter of all-time" and since the title "Super Middleweight" came into existence in 1984 I foolishly assumed that would constitute a statute of limitations. You're right.

It was just a matter of "Time"

Ok so, now that you've established this covers more time than that accepted by every other poster on this thread it is TIME for you to make any relevancy on this by providing a single person that fought at 168 that could be considered greater than Jones Jr. and Calzaghe. Ready? Go.....