----- Obama Wins ------

[OumaFan]

I guess I'm just not cynical enough, how anybody after 8 fucking years of George Bush could think there was still no difference between Republicans and Democrats is beyond me, its just inane.

[luvfightgame]

I guess I'm just not cynical enough, how anybody after 8 fucking years of George Bush could think there was still no difference between Republicans and Democrats is beyond me, its just inane.

Do some research and you will see. There's differences but minor. Both supported bailing out the banks. Both support the same corporate influences. It's all about money. Don't believe the hype Obama is a good old boy. He's a member of the council on foreign relations.

[OumaFan]

I guess I'm just not cynical enough, how anybody after 8 fucking years of George Bush could think there was still no difference between Republicans and Democrats is beyond me, its just inane.

Do some research and you will see. There's differences but minor. Both supported bailing out the banks. Both support the same corporate influences. It's all about money. Don't believe the hype Obama is a good old boy. He's a member of the council on foreign relations.

Do some research?

Differences are minor?

No the differences are not minor, there are major differences on foreign policy, economic policy, social issues, everything.

I guess its cool to be apathetic about the whole thing, good for you, but this is just too fucking stupid to even argue about.

[luvfightgame]

I guess I'm just not cynical enough, how anybody after 8 fucking years of George Bush could think there was still no difference between Republicans and Democrats is beyond me, its just inane.

Do some research and you will see. There's differences but minor. Both supported bailing out the banks. Both support the same corporate influences. It's all about money. Don't believe the hype Obama is a good old boy. He's a member of the council on foreign relations.

Do some research?

Differences are minor?

No the differences are not minor, there are major differences on foreign policy, economic policy, social issues, everything.

I guess its cool to be apathetic about the whole thing, good for you, but this is just too fucking stupid to even argue about.

How major? Afganistan or Iraq. Either way it's keep us at war.
How involved was Obama in fannie mae? Did he get tons of money from them? Duh? If you're "nominated" by the 2 party system you are a part of it. By the way the health care benefits he's promising are impossible. We are bankrupt. And worse yet we have the baby boomer retirement coming that crashes the stock market, bankrupts social security and medicare. Haven't heard that one addressed at all.

I'm not apethetic, i'm disgusted with so many stupid people in this country. We are so far gone and fools keep voting for one of the 2 idiots promoted by the media??

We should have been replaying the boston tea party years ago. Just follow your new leader. He will change things??

Keep being niave. Boxing judges are always fair. Wars are always for righteous causes, and politics aren't corrupt.

[OumaFan]

What are you talking about, Obama made his campaign on not supporting the war and calling for a pullout.

The democrats in Congress at the time of the decision to go to war in Iraq were cowards politically, they still are, all politicians are, but they are the lesser of the two evils. I don't see how anyone can not see that, its nice to be ideologically pure and never compromise but that's for teenagers.

Do you really think that we would have gone to war in Iraq (not Afghanistan) if Al Gore had been president? If you do you're out to lunch.

And the idea that because Obama supported the bailout there is no difference between the two parties economically is again simpleminded. That is one issue, not the entire issue. If you think spend a shitload of money and lower taxes is a good plan, good for you.

I guess there's just a simple difference here, I don't see a point in just sitting back and whining because everything is not perfect, of course politics is corrupt, it is everywhere, but there are lesser evils. I was wrong in calling you cynical, you clearly are not cynical.

There's no point in arguing about this anymore, we are obviously of completely different minds.

[Gandalf]

I guess I'm just not cynical enough, how anybody after 8 fucking years of George Bush could think there was still no difference between Republicans and Democrats is beyond me, its just inane.

Inane is probably better represented by the word insane. There is a huge difference between Republican and Democrat, its just that the significant minority of the populace is just too ignorant and stupid to care.

Thank god, a significant few noticed the difference this time out to make that difference.

As for luvfightgame, you seem like a bit of a dick.

[Kel]

Does not matter who wins, it won't change a thing.

[Gandalf]

Does not matter who wins, it won't change a thing.

This is a serious change Kel. It will probably see a lot of changes within the US and a serious response from the world at large. I cannot wait to see how the ball starts rolling. And it is desperately needed.

[No Contest]

Does not matter who wins, it won't change a thing.

Your joking right? You know how our government works? You are aware the Democrats have the Senate majority and can pass bill instead of Bush vetoing.

[CFH]

Does not matter who wins, it won't change a thing.

Your joking right? You know how our government works? You are aware the Democrats have the Senate majority and can pass bill instead of Bush vetoing.

They're short of the number they need to prevent a filibuster though, aren't they?

[No Contest]

Does not matter who wins, it won't change a thing.

Your joking right? You know how our government works? You are aware the Democrats have the Senate majority and can pass bill instead of Bush vetoing.

They're short of the number they need to prevent a filibuster though, aren't they?

I think there 1 or 2 senate races asking for recounts, I know the minnesota one is still in the air.

[pacfan]

Am I supposed to congratulate him or something? Mr. Obama will be picking up a lot of mess left by his predecessor. The economic situation looks real bad and nobody knows exactly where it is headed toward; the situation looks as cloudy as it can be. Make no mistake about it, folks, the US will be really feeling the effects the economic turmoil in the coming months.

...and did I hear him say he's gonna tax someone? jeez, that's bad because you don't do that in times of recession, but instead, you encourage the consumers and the producers (the business folks) to increase their activities, never discourage them with a tax during hard times...

[Salty]

Am I supposed to congratulate him or something? Mr. Obama will be picking up a lot of mess left by his predecessor. The economic situation looks real bad and nobody knows exactly where it is headed toward; the situation looks as cloudy as it can be. Make no mistake about it, folks, the US will be really feeling the effects the economic turmoil in the coming months.

...and did I hear him say he's gonna tax someone? jeez, that's bad because you don't do that in times of recession, but instead, you encourage the consumers and the producers (the business folks) to increase their activities, never discourage them with a tax during hard times...

They should never have had the tax breaks that they have had in the first place. Mr Bush financed the tax cuts to the wealthy by issuing government bonds and running the country into a huge deficit. This will just help correct the situation, sure the economy needs expansionary policy in times of depression. But expansionary policy didn't stop it from going into one, both fiscal and monetary policy in America seems to be going fucking sideways. Drastic things need to happen in the country, not to mention the fed reserve needs to build some credibility and some public agenda's to keep the confidence levels from plunging.

[luvfightgame]

Am I supposed to congratulate him or something? Mr. Obama will be picking up a lot of mess left by his predecessor. The economic situation looks real bad and nobody knows exactly where it is headed toward; the situation looks as cloudy as it can be. Make no mistake about it, folks, the US will be really feeling the effects the economic turmoil in the coming months.

...and did I hear him say he's gonna tax someone? jeez, that's bad because you don't do that in times of recession, but instead, you encourage the consumers and the producers (the business folks) to increase their activities, never discourage them with a tax during hard times...

They should never have had the tax breaks that they have had in the first place. Mr Bush financed the tax cuts to the wealthy by issuing government bonds and running the country into a huge deficit. This will just help correct the situation, sure the economy needs expansionary policy in times of depression. But expansionary policy didn't stop it from going into one, both fiscal and monetary policy in America seems to be going fucking sideways. Drastic things need to happen in the country, not to mention the fed reserve needs to build some credibility and some public agenda's to keep the confidence levels from plunging.

We know exactly where it's going. A new global currency is on the table. Nov. 15th is the meeting to hammer out the details. Watch and see.....

The problem is we don't have sound money. Money is the root of the whole thing. We have interest on every dollar printed and it can never be repaid. It's impossible. But we always argue over policies. Do some research on the federal reserve and fractional reserve banking. You'll see. The bankers run the show. They put people in office. Bush set it up and distant cousin Obama is gonna knockem down.

[Salty]

Am I supposed to congratulate him or something? Mr. Obama will be picking up a lot of mess left by his predecessor. The economic situation looks real bad and nobody knows exactly where it is headed toward; the situation looks as cloudy as it can be. Make no mistake about it, folks, the US will be really feeling the effects the economic turmoil in the coming months.

...and did I hear him say he's gonna tax someone? jeez, that's bad because you don't do that in times of recession, but instead, you encourage the consumers and the producers (the business folks) to increase their activities, never discourage them with a tax during hard times...

They should never have had the tax breaks that they have had in the first place. Mr Bush financed the tax cuts to the wealthy by issuing government bonds and running the country into a huge deficit. This will just help correct the situation, sure the economy needs expansionary policy in times of depression. But expansionary policy didn't stop it from going into one, both fiscal and monetary policy in America seems to be going fucking sideways. Drastic things need to happen in the country, not to mention the fed reserve needs to build some credibility and some public agenda's to keep the confidence levels from plunging.

We know exactly where it's going. A new global currency is on the table. Nov. 15th is the meeting to hammer out the details. Watch and see.....

The problem is we don't have sound money. Money is the root of the whole thing. We have interest on every dollar printed and it can never be repaid. It's impossible. But we always argue over policies. Do some research on the federal reserve and fractional reserve banking. You'll see. The bankers run the show. They put people in office. Bush set it up and distant cousin Obama is gonna knockem down.

I take it you have watched Zeitgeist , I think they will switch the the Amero before a global currency first.