----- Obama Wins ------

[Salty]

Am I supposed to congratulate him or something? Mr. Obama will be picking up a lot of mess left by his predecessor. The economic situation looks real bad and nobody knows exactly where it is headed toward; the situation looks as cloudy as it can be. Make no mistake about it, folks, the US will be really feeling the effects the economic turmoil in the coming months.

...and did I hear him say he's gonna tax someone? jeez, that's bad because you don't do that in times of recession, but instead, you encourage the consumers and the producers (the business folks) to increase their activities, never discourage them with a tax during hard times...

They should never have had the tax breaks that they have had in the first place. Mr Bush financed the tax cuts to the wealthy by issuing government bonds and running the country into a huge deficit. This will just help correct the situation, sure the economy needs expansionary policy in times of depression. But expansionary policy didn't stop it from going into one, both fiscal and monetary policy in America seems to be going fucking sideways. Drastic things need to happen in the country, not to mention the fed reserve needs to build some credibility and some public agenda's to keep the confidence levels from plunging.

[luvfightgame]

Am I supposed to congratulate him or something? Mr. Obama will be picking up a lot of mess left by his predecessor. The economic situation looks real bad and nobody knows exactly where it is headed toward; the situation looks as cloudy as it can be. Make no mistake about it, folks, the US will be really feeling the effects the economic turmoil in the coming months.

...and did I hear him say he's gonna tax someone? jeez, that's bad because you don't do that in times of recession, but instead, you encourage the consumers and the producers (the business folks) to increase their activities, never discourage them with a tax during hard times...

They should never have had the tax breaks that they have had in the first place. Mr Bush financed the tax cuts to the wealthy by issuing government bonds and running the country into a huge deficit. This will just help correct the situation, sure the economy needs expansionary policy in times of depression. But expansionary policy didn't stop it from going into one, both fiscal and monetary policy in America seems to be going fucking sideways. Drastic things need to happen in the country, not to mention the fed reserve needs to build some credibility and some public agenda's to keep the confidence levels from plunging.

We know exactly where it's going. A new global currency is on the table. Nov. 15th is the meeting to hammer out the details. Watch and see.....

The problem is we don't have sound money. Money is the root of the whole thing. We have interest on every dollar printed and it can never be repaid. It's impossible. But we always argue over policies. Do some research on the federal reserve and fractional reserve banking. You'll see. The bankers run the show. They put people in office. Bush set it up and distant cousin Obama is gonna knockem down.

[Salty]

Am I supposed to congratulate him or something? Mr. Obama will be picking up a lot of mess left by his predecessor. The economic situation looks real bad and nobody knows exactly where it is headed toward; the situation looks as cloudy as it can be. Make no mistake about it, folks, the US will be really feeling the effects the economic turmoil in the coming months.

...and did I hear him say he's gonna tax someone? jeez, that's bad because you don't do that in times of recession, but instead, you encourage the consumers and the producers (the business folks) to increase their activities, never discourage them with a tax during hard times...

They should never have had the tax breaks that they have had in the first place. Mr Bush financed the tax cuts to the wealthy by issuing government bonds and running the country into a huge deficit. This will just help correct the situation, sure the economy needs expansionary policy in times of depression. But expansionary policy didn't stop it from going into one, both fiscal and monetary policy in America seems to be going fucking sideways. Drastic things need to happen in the country, not to mention the fed reserve needs to build some credibility and some public agenda's to keep the confidence levels from plunging.

We know exactly where it's going. A new global currency is on the table. Nov. 15th is the meeting to hammer out the details. Watch and see.....

The problem is we don't have sound money. Money is the root of the whole thing. We have interest on every dollar printed and it can never be repaid. It's impossible. But we always argue over policies. Do some research on the federal reserve and fractional reserve banking. You'll see. The bankers run the show. They put people in office. Bush set it up and distant cousin Obama is gonna knockem down.

I take it you have watched Zeitgeist , I think they will switch the the Amero before a global currency first.

[pacfan]

Am I supposed to congratulate him or something? Mr. Obama will be picking up a lot of mess left by his predecessor. The economic situation looks real bad and nobody knows exactly where it is headed toward; the situation looks as cloudy as it can be. Make no mistake about it, folks, the US will be really feeling the effects the economic turmoil in the coming months.

...and did I hear him say he's gonna tax someone? jeez, that's bad because you don't do that in times of recession, but instead, you encourage the consumers and the producers (the business folks) to increase their activities, never discourage them with a tax during hard times...

They should never have had the tax breaks that they have had in the first place. Mr Bush financed the tax cuts to the wealthy by issuing government bonds and running the country into a huge deficit. This will just help correct the situation, sure the economy needs expansionary policy in times of depression. But expansionary policy didn't stop it from going into one, both fiscal and monetary policy in America seems to be going fucking sideways. Drastic things need to happen in the country, not to mention the fed reserve needs to build some credibility and some public agenda's to keep the confidence levels from plunging.

No argument there, Salty, it's just a matter of timing - when things overheat, tax 'em, but when they go bad, spare 'em. That's how it should be.

[X]

People say, 'can you really imagine the United States of America having a black President?'


And I say, 'why not? They just had a retarded one.'

[El Kabong]

I've had enough of people bashing George W. Bush.....being tired of the President after 8 years is the NORM and not the exception. Look at when Clinton was on the way out, lots of people didn't like him and they were tired of his antics and I am sure Obama will find out that he won't always get a free pass just because he's black and he can spout off nonsensical bull crap about hope and change.

George W. Bush wasn't a great President but he wasn't the worst either and I say that seriously. He did what he thought was right at the time looking back it doesn't seem like a great idea but other Presidents have done worse: Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tonkin, Somalia, the USS Cole, the Maine, Whiskey Rebellion, Internment camps for the Japanese.....etc etc etc.

[CFH]

I've had enough of people bashing George W. Bush.....being tired of the President after 8 years is the NORM and not the exception. Look at when Clinton was on the way out, lots of people didn't like him and they were tired of his antics and I am sure Obama will find out that he won't always get a free pass just because he's black and he can spout off nonsensical bull crap about hope and change.

George W. Bush wasn't a great President but he wasn't the worst either and I say that seriously. He did what he thought was right at the time looking back it doesn't seem like a great idea but other Presidents have done worse: Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tonkin, Somalia, the USS Cole, the Maine, Whiskey Rebellion, Internment camps for the Japanese.....etc etc etc.

Very few of those things are worse than what Bush has done.

[El Kabong]

Very few of those things are worse than what Bush has done.

Being threatened with nuclear missles that were 90 miles away wasn't bad?

The Vietnam War wasn't bad? last time I checked more people were killed in that little political flub than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Internment Camps for a specific group of people wasn't bad The German Americans didn't get put in camps.

But oh well.....I won't try to change your mind.

[CFH]

Very few of those things are worse than what Bush has done.

Being threatened with nuclear missles that were 90 miles away wasn't bad?

The Vietnam War wasn't bad? last time I checked more people were killed in that little political flub than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Internment Camps for a specific group of people wasn't bad The German Americans didn't get put in camps.

But oh well.....I won't try to change your mind.

Where did I say those weren't bad things?

Many of the Bush administrations actions are on par with those things.

[CGM]

Lyle, what's your main gripe with the way Clinton handled the Somalia issue in the 90s?

[CGM]

Lyle, what's your main gripe with the way Clinton handled the Somalia issue in the 90s?

bump. thought you might have missed this.

[El Kabong]

Lyle, what's your main gripe with the way Clinton handled the Somalia issue in the 90s?

bump. thought you might have missed this.

What did we accomplish? We got our boys killed and left Somalia just the same as it ever was....losses for nothing. Doesn't strike me as something to be proud of