After watching a prime Roy Jones on TV last night he was far from unbeatable.

[Taeth]

Do you know the chronology of this? The big fight between Roy and Dariusz was before Roy ever moved up to heavyweight, and Dariusz ended up losing to a guy Roy pummelled for 12 rounds in Julio Gonzalez anyways. Dariusz was overrated.

Did you watch the ROy JOnes jr- Bernard Hopkins fight? By the middle Roy was landing 50% of his shots to like 20% connection for Bernard. A few times Bernard thought he had Roy figured out only to come out the next round and have Roy make the adjustments that would totally throw Bernard off again. All this was done without him being able to throw his right cross effectively. He was throwing it with an open hand all night. Roy wasn't as effective as he was in some fights, but he still won almost every round until he took off the last few, and he was still just as green as Bernard was, it took him like 5-6 rounds to even open up. Bernard couldn't deal with his speed or elusiveness. Which is the key point ,Roy wasn't just speed, he was as elusive as anyone, thats what him different in some ways from guys like Ali, Leonard, Michael Nunn, is that Roy was extremely hard to hit anywhere, while the other guys weren't quite as concerned about getting hit.

[TigerFan]

Do you know the chronology of this? The big fight between Roy and Dariusz was before Roy ever moved up to heavyweight, and Dariusz ended up losing to a guy Roy pummelled for 12 rounds in Julio Gonzalez anyways. Dariusz was overrated.

It's unfair to sum up a guy's career based off one loss in his mid 30s when he was obviously past his prime and on the way down. That'd be like judging Roy Jones' whole hall of fame career by the Glen Johnson defeat. Completely unfair. Prime Michalczewski would beat Gonzalez hands down.

[ross]

Exactly, I put about the Tarver losses in reply to the Gonzales losses, some people are gonna be crying about their superman Jones come Sunday.

Boo Hoo, Roy lost again!!!?? How did that happen? We didnt see that coming!!!?? This must mean Joe is really, really good!!

[ross]

some people are gonna be crying about their superman Jones come Sunday.

Boo Hoo, Roy lost again!!!?? How did that happen? We didnt see that coming!!!?? This must mean Joe is really, really good!!

Boo hoo indeed

[intoccabile]

Do you know the chronology of this? The big fight between Roy and Dariusz was before Roy ever moved up to heavyweight, and Dariusz ended up losing to a guy Roy pummelled for 12 rounds in Julio Gonzalez anyways. Dariusz was overrated.

Did you watch the ROy JOnes jr- Bernard Hopkins fight? By the middle Roy was landing 50% of his shots to like 20% connection for Bernard. A few times Bernard thought he had Roy figured out only to come out the next round and have Roy make the adjustments that would totally throw Bernard off again. All this was done without him being able to throw his right cross effectively. He was throwing it with an open hand all night. Roy wasn't as effective as he was in some fights, but he still won almost every round until he took off the last few, and he was still just as green as Bernard was, it took him like 5-6 rounds to even open up. Bernard couldn't deal with his speed or elusiveness. Which is the key point ,Roy wasn't just speed, he was as elusive as anyone, thats what him different in some ways from guys like Ali, Leonard, Michael Nunn, is that Roy was extremely hard to hit anywhere, while the other guys weren't quite as concerned about getting hit.

REwatch the bhop fight bro. It was far from easy.
I rewatched it and to my suprise, i actually have bhop winning this time!

[Tysonbruno]

Do you know the chronology of this? The big fight between Roy and Dariusz was before Roy ever moved up to heavyweight, and Dariusz ended up losing to a guy Roy pummelled for 12 rounds in Julio Gonzalez anyways. Dariusz was overrated.

Did you watch the ROy JOnes jr- Bernard Hopkins fight? By the middle Roy was landing 50% of his shots to like 20% connection for Bernard. A few times Bernard thought he had Roy figured out only to come out the next round and have Roy make the adjustments that would totally throw Bernard off again. All this was done without him being able to throw his right cross effectively. He was throwing it with an open hand all night. Roy wasn't as effective as he was in some fights, but he still won almost every round until he took off the last few, and he was still just as green as Bernard was, it took him like 5-6 rounds to even open up. Bernard couldn't deal with his speed or elusiveness. Which is the key point ,Roy wasn't just speed, he was as elusive as anyone, thats what him different in some ways from guys like Ali, Leonard, Michael Nunn, is that Roy was extremely hard to hit anywhere, while the other guys weren't quite as concerned about getting hit.

REwatch the bhop fight bro. It was far from easy.
I rewatched it and to my suprise, i actually have bhop winning this time!

What you have Hopkins beating Roy Jones?

[Drago]

Do you know the chronology of this? The big fight between Roy and Dariusz was before Roy ever moved up to heavyweight, and Dariusz ended up losing to a guy Roy pummelled for 12 rounds in Julio Gonzalez anyways. Dariusz was overrated.

Did you watch the ROy JOnes jr- Bernard Hopkins fight? By the middle Roy was landing 50% of his shots to like 20% connection for Bernard. A few times Bernard thought he had Roy figured out only to come out the next round and have Roy make the adjustments that would totally throw Bernard off again. All this was done without him being able to throw his right cross effectively. He was throwing it with an open hand all night. Roy wasn't as effective as he was in some fights, but he still won almost every round until he took off the last few, and he was still just as green as Bernard was, it took him like 5-6 rounds to even open up. Bernard couldn't deal with his speed or elusiveness. Which is the key point ,Roy wasn't just speed, he was as elusive as anyone, thats what him different in some ways from guys like Ali, Leonard, Michael Nunn, is that Roy was extremely hard to hit anywhere, while the other guys weren't quite as concerned about getting hit.

REwatch the bhop fight bro. It was far from easy.
I rewatched it and to my suprise, i actually have bhop winning this time!

even bhop said he lost that one

[Mr140]

Alright did not ask you how they looked i asked who had the best wins and to me that is Oscar and i think he should get some credit for it. Roy never had to step it up as much as Oscar did and Oscar had to do it alot. So dont you think but i can see your point still say Oscars higher.

[Mr140]

As for Evander Holyfeild i say he is to cruiser what Roy is to Light heavy. It took alot to get Evander to make it Heavyweight he could of stayed at CW for alot more years but he would of not got the glory that he has. You say that Tyson was past it but Evander was older with a bad hart and still kicked the crap out of him and he was let me see 35 what was roy doing at 35 well let me see getting knocked the f*** out if i can remeber. Also the Lewis stomping him lets not forget that he was 37 and still with heart problems still has them i dont see how they could let him fight. Toney was weight drain to all hell when Roy fought him and Toney was not at his best not taking away form Roy just Toney had problems. Both him and Bernard were green and not prime so i kinda take that with a grain of salt neither was at his best and they never rematched so what ever. You bring up the close fight with Dwight but that was Evander 12 fight and we all saw what happen in the rematch he destroyed him so all i am saying why not Evander pound for pound he has done just as much but does not get the credit i think he should. I think you can poke holes through any mans career but i can say this Evander ducked no one i can not say the same for Roy and to me i think thats why i always like Evander better.

[Wayne]

As for Evander Holyfeild i say he is to cruiser what Roy is to Light heavy. It took alot to get Evander to make it Heavyweight he could of stayed at CW for alot more years but he would of not got the glory that he has. You say that Tyson was past it but Evander was older with a bad hart and still kicked the crap out of him and he was let me see 35 what was roy doing at 35 well let me see getting knocked the f*** out if i can remeber. Also the Lewis stomping him lets not forget that he was 37 and still with heart problems still has them i dont see how they could let him fight. Toney was weight drain to all hell when Roy fought him and Toney was not at his best not taking away form Roy just Toney had problems. Both him and Bernard were green and not prime so i kinda take that with a grain of salt neither was at his best and they never rematched so what ever. You bring up the close fight with Dwight but that was Evander 12 fight and we all saw what happen in the rematch he destroyed him so all i am saying why not Evander pound for pound he has done just as much but does not get the credit i think he should. I think you can poke holes through any mans career but i can say this Evander ducked no one i can not say the same for Roy and to me i think thats why i always like Evander better.

Holyfield does not have heart problems. There were other things at issue. If Evander truly had a bad ticker he wouldn't have been cleared medically.

[Bomp]

Alright did not ask you how they looked i asked who had the best wins and to me that is Oscar and i think he should get some credit for it. Roy never had to step it up as much as Oscar did and Oscar had to do it alot. So dont you think but i can see your point still say Oscars higher.

Oscar's record is very strong, but it is manufactured to look even better than it actually is, plus he never actually dominated someone who wasn't cannon fodder and lost the true main events in his career.

You can tear down anyone's careerwhen you have the blinkers on. Like Taeth said, you have to look at the chronology of things before start saying that Roy ducked people (not saying you did MR140, just a reference to the thread as a whole.)

Personally I believe Benn had a punchers chance, and like someone mentioned maybe get lucky 1/5 against him, but they were never on a collision course, Benn was well and truly finished after Mclellan, and if the older Benn had fought Roy it would have been a massacre.

[intoccabile]

Do you know the chronology of this? The big fight between Roy and Dariusz was before Roy ever moved up to heavyweight, and Dariusz ended up losing to a guy Roy pummelled for 12 rounds in Julio Gonzalez anyways. Dariusz was overrated.

Did you watch the ROy JOnes jr- Bernard Hopkins fight? By the middle Roy was landing 50% of his shots to like 20% connection for Bernard. A few times Bernard thought he had Roy figured out only to come out the next round and have Roy make the adjustments that would totally throw Bernard off again. All this was done without him being able to throw his right cross effectively. He was throwing it with an open hand all night. Roy wasn't as effective as he was in some fights, but he still won almost every round until he took off the last few, and he was still just as green as Bernard was, it took him like 5-6 rounds to even open up. Bernard couldn't deal with his speed or elusiveness. Which is the key point ,Roy wasn't just speed, he was as elusive as anyone, thats what him different in some ways from guys like Ali, Leonard, Michael Nunn, is that Roy was extremely hard to hit anywhere, while the other guys weren't quite as concerned about getting hit.

REwatch the bhop fight bro. It was far from easy.
I rewatched it and to my suprise, i actually have bhop winning this time!

even bhop said he lost that one

Which is what makes it so weird rofl.,
2 other people on here said they rewatched it aswell and actually had bernard by a point.
The fight was just so boring..but honestly.. it's worth a rewatch.
Fighters who don't get off like they want to in a fight or never get
in a rhythm or comfortable like Bernard clearly was the entire night, often times
wont dispute the decision if they lose...But he actually did pretty good dispite having
not perfected his craft yet.

During that time bernard was a "killer". He had a great body attack and would often times
stalk his opponent. He showed tremendous respect for Roys ability and did none of that in their fight. Obviously, Bernard is an entirely different fighter today.. which is why I never look at the Roy/Bhop fight as a huge win for Roy. If i beat on an infant today and he becomes a world champion in thirty years, does that make him a significant win for me?

Bhop was highly regarded and a great fighter at the time they fought, but he, imo, had no where near the knowledge of the game he has now. He's a much more dangerous adversary now and i actually have the fight alot closer after rewatching than I did before.

[ICB]

Do you know the chronology of this? The big fight between Roy and Dariusz was before Roy ever moved up to heavyweight, and Dariusz ended up losing to a guy Roy pummelled for 12 rounds in Julio Gonzalez anyways. Dariusz was overrated.

Did you watch the ROy JOnes jr- Bernard Hopkins fight? By the middle Roy was landing 50% of his shots to like 20% connection for Bernard. A few times Bernard thought he had Roy figured out only to come out the next round and have Roy make the adjustments that would totally throw Bernard off again. All this was done without him being able to throw his right cross effectively. He was throwing it with an open hand all night. Roy wasn't as effective as he was in some fights, but he still won almost every round until he took off the last few, and he was still just as green as Bernard was, it took him like 5-6 rounds to even open up. Bernard couldn't deal with his speed or elusiveness. Which is the key point ,Roy wasn't just speed, he was as elusive as anyone, thats what him different in some ways from guys like Ali, Leonard, Michael Nunn, is that Roy was extremely hard to hit anywhere, while the other guys weren't quite as concerned about getting hit.

REwatch the bhop fight bro. It was far from easy.
I rewatched it and to my suprise, i actually have bhop winning this time!

Are you out of your mind ? thats possibly one of the easiest fights to score in boxing history, 8 rounds to 4 or 9 rounds to 3 in favor of RJJ. Even Bernard Hopkins said he lost.