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    It depends where the Backfoot is in relation to the Target. Power comes from you using Gravity, not Gravity using you, it Hurts. When driving Forward you should push back the secret is How the left shoulder works thats what stabalises the right side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharla View Post
    Right I think i get it!

    I was thinking about where the real life target might move in sparring and you're being more specific about how to use the bag!

    I think I understand thanks TM and Salty!
    There you go,its just a way to visualize your punch,I hate to use a golf analogy,only because I hate golf
    If you just got the club to the ball and didnt follow through,the ball goes 10 feet max. If you drive through the ball,significantly further.
    The whole,your right cross shouldnt hit in the same area as your jab thing must have gotten started by someone who didnt understand the visualization process,because actually one twoing to the same area shouldnt even be a question with those punches. Its a non-sensical combo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sharla View Post
    Right I think i get it!

    I was thinking about where the real life target might move in sparring and you're being more specific about how to use the bag!

    I think I understand thanks TM and Salty!
    There you go,its just a way to visualize your punch,I hate to use a golf analogy,only because I hate golf
    If you just got the club to the ball and didnt follow through,the ball goes 10 feet max. If you drive through the ball,significantly further.
    The whole,your right cross shouldnt hit in the same area as your jab thing must have gotten started by someone who didnt understand the visualization process,because actually one twoing to the same area shouldnt even be a question with those punches. Its a non-sensical combo
    you could have used baseball instead
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    Yeah I guess this all makes sense thanks TM.

    Scrap I understand that the left shoulder moving back will allow the right shoulder to come forward and I know that you need to be able to push off the ball of your rear foot.


    I am wondering how much of a role is played by the ball of your front foot. My initial thought was that the angle of that foot would have to be spot on because if it was too far inwards it would interfere with the rotation.

    Then I thought if I wasn't leaning too far foreward at all I would not need to balance using that front foot.

    So does the front foot really do anything while you throw the cross when your posture is correct?

    Is it make any mistakes with that front foot that could totally stuff up our cross?


    Also cocobeware the reason I ask about your glove size is because I had a pair of 16 ounces once which had the padding distributed in the wrong place and they were too wide so they would brush each other when I used normal technique. I would never have the same problem with 10 or 12 ounce gloves or some other brands of 16 ounce gloves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfahrenheit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sharla View Post
    Right I think i get it!

    I was thinking about where the real life target might move in sparring and you're being more specific about how to use the bag!

    I think I understand thanks TM and Salty!
    There you go,its just a way to visualize your punch,I hate to use a golf analogy,only because I hate golf
    If you just got the club to the ball and didnt follow through,the ball goes 10 feet max. If you drive through the ball,significantly further.
    The whole,your right cross shouldnt hit in the same area as your jab thing must have gotten started by someone who didnt understand the visualization process,because actually one twoing to the same area shouldnt even be a question with those punches. Its a non-sensical combo
    you could have used baseball instead
    The difference between a bunt and a home run was the other analogy I was going to consider but I didnt think our non American friends would get that so reluctantly I went with golf

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    Sharla, the front foot is your direction the back foot is your distance. If theres to much weight on your front foot its hard to move direction. Plus you lose Oral stability, youve lost Balance, Gravity is the winner. What you are looking at is the floor, the place you are going to finnish up pick your spot.
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    I think I understand. I'll have to let it sink in a bit and get back to you. Thanks Scrap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap View Post
    Sharla, the front foot is your direction the back foot is your distance. If theres to much weight on your front foot its hard to move direction. Plus you lose Oral stability, youve lost Balance, Gravity is the winner. What you are looking at is the floor, the place you are going to finnish up pick your spot.
    Balance is absolutely vital, if you lose your center line, youve allready lost, maybe not tonight,but you will lose because of it

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    Sorry to bring this up again but just noticed this thing which probably demonstrates what im talking about i know this sounds a bit stuipid but if you look at the little smiley face each glove does not cross over each other also here is a clip from an instructional video which sort of talks about the same thing but is hard to tell from the video and if you look near the end of the floyd mayweather clip on the heavy bag you will see what i mean however at the start of the clip they cross over when he is on the mitts.So which is the correct way,Is one way more suitable to the mits and the other the heavybag,What would be most appropriate for a real opponent?




    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2qqtwf...eature=related
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KQICD3DZbRI
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    Power is deliverd by not going forward with a Punch. The more the Head moves forward, direction and power are lost ,gravity wins.
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    so what youre saying is they shouldnt cross over??

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    Quote Originally Posted by cocobeware View Post
    Sorry to bring this up again but just noticed this thing which probably demonstrates what im talking about i know this sounds a bit stuipid but if you look at the little smiley face each glove does not cross over each other also here is a clip from an instructional video which sort of talks about the same thing but is hard to tell from the video and if you look near the end of the floyd mayweather clip on the heavy bag you will see what i mean however at the start of the clip they cross over when he is on the mitts.So which is the correct way,Is one way more suitable to the mits and the other the heavybag,What would be most appropriate for a real opponent?




    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2qqtwf...eature=relatedhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KQICD3DZbRI
    What Mayweather is doing isn't a demonstration of boxing technique. He's just hitting the bag and his only concern is with how many punches he's throwing. I wouldn't recommend it unless you're just looking for a way to feel a good burn in your arms and shoulders. I wouldn't recommend following the second video either.

    Now when you're throwing the the straight right it should cross over your body's center line. Make sure that your fist doesn't travel too far to your left or you lose balance and power. It's the same when you're throwing the left hook, if your left elbow and fist go past a certain point you become off balance and lose power.

    The arc of your punch isn't so much caused by your arms as it is your body. A good thing to remember when you're throwing the straight right is to pull your left shoulder back at the same time. Also like Scrap said don't bring your head too far forward or you'll lose balance and power. That was a problem with Jeff Lacy, his head would go past his front knee and his corner cautioned him about it in his last fight with Taylor. It's a bane with a lot of fighters (eg. Ike Quartey, Juan Diaz, and an older Mike Tyson), at least at this stage you can prevent it from becoming a habit.
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    okay so it should cross youre centre line,Is this where the term right cross comes from?But the thing is most fighters i see on the heavy bag dont seem to cross that centre line instead the right hand seems to just land right beside it but not crossing it.Or is that the difference between the term right cross and straight right??
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    Quote Originally Posted by cocobeware View Post
    so what youre saying is they shouldnt cross over??
    He is saying the opposite, to achieve power in your shots you torque your whole body while keeping oral stability. Maximum torque is achieved when you don't lean forward (loss of oral stability; which causes a disequilibrium of balance as your body topples forward), to counter act this your body must stabilise it self in order to remain upright, this restabilisation is what causes the loss in power. So basically keep your head in the same position and put your legs, hips, core, shoulders and finally arms into the punch and you will knock down brick walls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cocobeware View Post
    okay so it should cross youre centre line,Is this where the term right cross comes from?But the thing is most fighters i see on the heavy bag dont seem to cross that centre line instead the right hand seems to just land right beside it but not crossing it.Or is that the difference between the term right cross and straight right??
    It should cross your center line but that's not where the term came from. "Right cross" originated from "right hand cross-counter". Simply it's a counter that crosses over your opponent's left hand lead. Recently some people have made the generalization that a right cross is the same as a right hook, that is not so. Say for instance, I slip inside of your jab and throw a right hook to your body, in no shape or form can that be called a right cross, this is because my right hand is not crossing over your left arm. Knowing this both a straight right and right hook can be a right cross if it crosses over your opponent's left arm. The term is a little confusing because it used to refer to a counter to your opponent's jab/straight-left, nowadays it can be any right hand that crosses your opponent's left shoulder.

    Another reason why you'd want your jabs and rights to cross the center line is defense. If you're shoulders are square to your opponent and you throw your fist straight out like doing a bench press, you'll notice that you're very exposed on both sides of your body. Now on the other hand, if your jab occupies the center line, you're then removing that path for your opponent's jab. Getting your head behind your lead shoulder, and your right hand in guarding position takes away those openings that your opponent would have otherwise. Also when you throw your right hand, you're chin should be brought in slightly under protection of your right shoulder.
    Last edited by Chris Nagel; 11-28-2008 at 03:57 PM.
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