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[CFH]

Incorrect. Jones Circa 1995-2000 knocks the living shit out of Joe.

I agree, though I do think at times JC would've made it a difficult fight for him. Not that that takes anything away from Calzaghe, he's undoubtedly a great fighter.

Of course he is. I am a big fan of Calzaghe, he is an all time great.

But I honestly believe that RJJ in his prime was about the the third or fourth best fighter ever. SRR, Ali and Louis are better IMO.

HOWEVER, we'll never know that for sure because he should have been more proactive in securing legacy defining fights when he was in his prime.

I'm not sure if I would consider Calzaghe an ATG. Skill-wise? Probably, but my initial thought is that I still find his level of competition to be below that of an ATG. I'd really have to think more about it to give a definate answer as to whether I'd consider him an ATG, but I would certainly consider him a great fighter.

[Greig]

I agree, though I do think at times JC would've made it a difficult fight for him. Not that that takes anything away from Calzaghe, he's undoubtedly a great fighter.

Of course he is. I am a big fan of Calzaghe, he is an all time great.

But I honestly believe that RJJ in his prime was about the the third or fourth best fighter ever. SRR, Ali and Louis are better IMO.

HOWEVER, we'll never know that for sure because he should have been more proactive in securing legacy defining fights when he was in his prime.

I'm not sure if I would consider Calzaghe an ATG. Skill-wise? Probably, but my initial thought is that I still find his level of competition to be below that of an ATG. I'd really have to think more about it to give a definate answer as to whether I'd consider him an ATG, but I would certainly consider him a great fighter.

I'd

He's an ATG because he reigned at SM for a decade, fought and beat two legends on American soil (both past their best IMO) and, if he's true to his word, will retire undefeated.

Pretty good resume.

[CFH]

Of course he is. I am a big fan of Calzaghe, he is an all time great.

But I honestly believe that RJJ in his prime was about the the third or fourth best fighter ever. SRR, Ali and Louis are better IMO.

HOWEVER, we'll never know that for sure because he should have been more proactive in securing legacy defining fights when he was in his prime.

I'm not sure if I would consider Calzaghe an ATG. Skill-wise? Probably, but my initial thought is that I still find his level of competition to be below that of an ATG. I'd really have to think more about it to give a definate answer as to whether I'd consider him an ATG, but I would certainly consider him a great fighter.

I'd

He's an ATG because he reigned at SM for a decade, fought and beat two legends on American soil (both past their best IMO) and, if he's true to his word, will retire undefeated.

Pretty good resume.

His biggest wins, IMO are Eubank, Hopkins (disputed), and Kessler. I'm just not sure that qualifies him as an ATG. I'm not saying it doesn't, just that initially I'm not so sure.

You make a very good point about him dominating the division though, I'm starting to think that he merits ATG status based on that and his skill level...

I'm afraid I don't have a very firm opinion one way or the other on the subject, makes for a boring debate I guess