Giving Joe Calzaghe Credit For Beating This Version Of RJJ.....

[Fenster]

Calzaghe deserves credit because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

If Roy had won would no-one be giving him credit? Nobody would be gloating over Calzaghe's loss?

Calzaghe would have been SLAUGHTERED.

If the fight was even remotely close Calzaghe would have been slagged-off something cronic.

Now people are moaning about him winning too EASILY.. that he showboated too much.

[ICB]

Calzaghe deserves credit because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

If Roy had won would no-one be giving him credit? Nobody would be gloating over Calzaghe's loss?

Calzaghe would have been SLAUGHTERED.

If the fight was even remotely close Calzaghe would have been slagged-off something cronic.

Now people are moaning about him winning too EASILY.. that he showboated too much.

Of course RJJ would get more credit isn't that obvious ? he was considered a shot fighter. And at 39 years old it would of been a great achievement beating a top 4 P4P fighter.

Just like if George Foreman would of lost to Michael Moorer, Michael Moorer wouldn't have gotten the credit George Foreman did. Thats the way it works.

Fenster you are biased to Joe Calzaghe, you do give facts/stats ETC but you twist them in a way to suit Joe Calzaghe.

People who were picking RJJ were "hoping" RJJ would turn back the clock. Hoping is the key word here Fenster.

The fact is RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win or the killer instinct since 2002. He couldn't finish off Felix Trinidad, Anthony Hanshaw, when he had them in huge trouble.

For the simple reason he hasn't got fire in his belly anymore. He has only shown "flashes" of his old self in his comeback fights. Again Fenster flashes being the key word here again.

And he has only shown flashes because of the opposition he was up against. Lets be fair here and give Joe Calzaghe his credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, because Bernard Hopkins is a very young 43 year old with plenty still left.

But giving Joe Calzaghe alot of credit for beating a fighter, who hasn't had a good showing for atleast 6 or 7 years, is being biased to Joe Calzaghe and not fair.

[Fenster]

Calzaghe deserves credit because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

If Roy had won would no-one be giving him credit? Nobody would be gloating over Calzaghe's loss?

Calzaghe would have been SLAUGHTERED.

If the fight was even remotely close Calzaghe would have been slagged-off something cronic.

Now people are moaning about him winning too EASILY.. that he showboated too much.

Of course RJJ would get more credit isn't that obvious ? he was considered a shot fighter. And at 39 years old it would of been a great achievement beating a top 4 P4P fighter.

Just like if George Foreman would of lost to Michael Moorer, Michael Moorer wouldn't have gotten the credit George Foreman did. Thats the way it works.

Fenster you are biased to Joe Calzaghe, you do give facts/stats ETC but you twist them in a way to suit Joe Calzaghe.

People who were picking RJJ were "hoping" RJJ would turn back the clock. Hoping is the key word here Fenster.

The fact is RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win or the killer instinct since 2002. He couldn't finish off Felix Trinidad, Anthony Hanshaw, when he had them in huge trouble.

For the simple reason he hasn't got fire in his belly anymore. He has only shown "flashes" of his old self in his comeback fights. Again Fenster flashes being the key word here again.

And he has only shown flashes because of the opposition he was up against. Lets be fair here and give Joe Calzaghe his credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, because Bernard Hopkins is a very young 43 year old with plenty still left.

But giving Joe Calzaghe alot of credit for beating a fighter, who hasn't had a good showing for atleast 6 or 7 years, is being biased to Joe Calzaghe and not fair.

Show me where i twist the facts to suit Calzaghe? Facts are facts.

So all the people picking Jones were just "hoping" he does? Even though they KNEW about all these lack of "flashes" and "killer instinct" they STILL picked Jones just "hoping?" How fucking CONVENIENT. And completely GUTLESS!!!

JT made sound reasons for a Roy win along with Bernard Hopkins, Lennox Lewis, Jeff Lacy, Glen Johnson, Vernon Forrest, James Toney, Powderpuff Malignaggi, Winky Wright ETC... along with a ton of press "experts."

If Roy had won you'd be telling EVERYONE how great you are for picking Roy.

You can't have it both ways.

[ICB]

Calzaghe deserves credit because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

If Roy had won would no-one be giving him credit? Nobody would be gloating over Calzaghe's loss?

Calzaghe would have been SLAUGHTERED.

If the fight was even remotely close Calzaghe would have been slagged-off something cronic.

Now people are moaning about him winning too EASILY.. that he showboated too much.

Of course RJJ would get more credit isn't that obvious ? he was considered a shot fighter. And at 39 years old it would of been a great achievement beating a top 4 P4P fighter.

Just like if George Foreman would of lost to Michael Moorer, Michael Moorer wouldn't have gotten the credit George Foreman did. Thats the way it works.

Fenster you are biased to Joe Calzaghe, you do give facts/stats ETC but you twist them in a way to suit Joe Calzaghe.

People who were picking RJJ were "hoping" RJJ would turn back the clock. Hoping is the key word here Fenster.

The fact is RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win or the killer instinct since 2002. He couldn't finish off Felix Trinidad, Anthony Hanshaw, when he had them in huge trouble.

For the simple reason he hasn't got fire in his belly anymore. He has only shown "flashes" of his old self in his comeback fights. Again Fenster flashes being the key word here again.

And he has only shown flashes because of the opposition he was up against. Lets be fair here and give Joe Calzaghe his credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, because Bernard Hopkins is a very young 43 year old with plenty still left.

But giving Joe Calzaghe alot of credit for beating a fighter, who hasn't had a good showing for atleast 6 or 7 years, is being biased to Joe Calzaghe and not fair.

Show me where i twist the facts to suit Calzaghe? Facts are facts.

So all the people picking Jones were just "hoping" he does? Even though they KNEW about all these lack of "flashes" and "killer instinct" they STILL picked Jones just "hoping?" How fucking CONVENIENT. And completely GUTLESS!!!

JT made sound reasons for a Roy win along with Bernard Hopkins, Lennox Lewis, Jeff Lacy, Glen Johnson, Vernon Forrest, James Toney, Powderpuff Malignaggi, Winky Wright ETC... along with a ton of press "experts."

If Roy had won you'd be telling EVERYONE how great you are for picking Roy.

You can't have it both ways.

I didn't say everyone there again your twisting what im saying, but most people were "hoping". Some people obviously had genuine arguments on how RJJ would win.

But again that doesn't change the fact that RJJ is a shot fighter, and hasn't had a good showing since 2002.

Im asking you right now on the spot what had RJJ done in the last few years, that warranted a shot against Joe Calzaghe ? other than being a name for his past achievements ?

Because according to Joe Calzaghe, Felix Trinidad vs RJJ. Was a fight between two old hasbeen's. So if thats true why did he fight RJJ ? because obviously he also considered RJJ a shot fighter based on that comment ? he contradicts himself all the time.

If your honestly going to sit there and tell me RJJ isn't a shot fighter, and based on his comeback fights that he done anything to warrant a shot against Joe Calzaghe. And that based on his comeback fights and his last fight against Joe Calzaghe, that Joe Calzaghe deserves alot of credit for this win.

Then we might aswell end this debate right now because were not going to get anywhere, i was hoping RJJ to win and if he did win i would consider it a great achievement and i would be very happy. Because of his age and how far he has dropped off the rankings, it would of course be a great comeback/achievement over a top 4 P4P fighter.

But facts are facts as you like to put it Fenster, RJJ hasn't been the same fighter since dropping down to Light Heavyweight. And just because a few experts picked RJJ does not mean he wasn't a shot fighter.

[Fenster]

Of course RJJ would get more credit isn't that obvious ? he was considered a shot fighter. And at 39 years old it would of been a great achievement beating a top 4 P4P fighter.

Just like if George Foreman would of lost to Michael Moorer, Michael Moorer wouldn't have gotten the credit George Foreman did. Thats the way it works.

Fenster you are biased to Joe Calzaghe, you do give facts/stats ETC but you twist them in a way to suit Joe Calzaghe.

People who were picking RJJ were "hoping" RJJ would turn back the clock. Hoping is the key word here Fenster.

The fact is RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win or the killer instinct since 2002. He couldn't finish off Felix Trinidad, Anthony Hanshaw, when he had them in huge trouble.

For the simple reason he hasn't got fire in his belly anymore. He has only shown "flashes" of his old self in his comeback fights. Again Fenster flashes being the key word here again.

And he has only shown flashes because of the opposition he was up against. Lets be fair here and give Joe Calzaghe his credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, because Bernard Hopkins is a very young 43 year old with plenty still left.

But giving Joe Calzaghe alot of credit for beating a fighter, who hasn't had a good showing for atleast 6 or 7 years, is being biased to Joe Calzaghe and not fair.

Show me where i twist the facts to suit Calzaghe? Facts are facts.

So all the people picking Jones were just "hoping" he does? Even though they KNEW about all these lack of "flashes" and "killer instinct" they STILL picked Jones just "hoping?" How fucking CONVENIENT. And completely GUTLESS!!!

JT made sound reasons for a Roy win along with Bernard Hopkins, Lennox Lewis, Jeff Lacy, Glen Johnson, Vernon Forrest, James Toney, Powderpuff Malignaggi, Winky Wright ETC... along with a ton of press "experts."

If Roy had won you'd be telling EVERYONE how great you are for picking Roy.

You can't have it both ways.

I didn't say everyone there again your twisting what im saying, but most people were "hoping". Some people obviously had genuine arguments on how RJJ would win.

But again that doesn't change the fact that RJJ is a shot fighter, and hasn't had a good showing since 2002.

Im asking you right now on the spot what had RJJ done in the last few years, that warranted a shot against Joe Calzaghe ? other than being a name for his past achievements ?

Because according to Joe Calzaghe, Felix Trinidad vs RJJ. Was a fight between two old hasbeen's. So if thats true why did he fight RJJ ? because obviously he also considered RJJ a shot fighter based on that comment ? he contradicts himself all the time.

If your honestly going to sit there and tell me RJJ isn't a shot fighter, and based on his comeback fights that he done anything to warrant a shot against Joe Calzaghe. And that based on his comeback fights and his last fight against Joe Calzaghe, that Joe Calzaghe deserves alot of credit for this win.

Then we might aswell end this debate right now because were not going to get anywhere, i was hoping RJJ to win and if he did win i would consider it a great achievement and i would be very happy. Because of his age and how far he has dropped off the rankings, it would of course be a great comeback/achievement over a top 4 P4P fighter.

But facts are facts as you like to put it Fenster, RJJ hasn't been the same fighter since dropping down to Light Heavyweight. And just because a few experts picked RJJ does not mean he wasn't a shot fighter.

I picked Calzaghe to win EASY!!! I was right. I don't have to answer for anything.

You can't MOAN, CRY and DISCREDIT Calzaghe's WIN if you believed he would LOSE. That would make you an inconsistent hypocrite.

ANYONE that thought Roy would WIN should be PRAISING Calzaghe. Fact. Especially if you thought he was "shot." It OBVIOUSLY means Calzaghe is a better fighter than you thought.

(wheres these facts i twist to suit Calzaghe?)

[ICB]

Show me where i twist the facts to suit Calzaghe? Facts are facts.

So all the people picking Jones were just "hoping" he does? Even though they KNEW about all these lack of "flashes" and "killer instinct" they STILL picked Jones just "hoping?" How fucking CONVENIENT. And completely GUTLESS!!!

JT made sound reasons for a Roy win along with Bernard Hopkins, Lennox Lewis, Jeff Lacy, Glen Johnson, Vernon Forrest, James Toney, Powderpuff Malignaggi, Winky Wright ETC... along with a ton of press "experts."

If Roy had won you'd be telling EVERYONE how great you are for picking Roy.

You can't have it both ways.

I didn't say everyone there again your twisting what im saying, but most people were "hoping". Some people obviously had genuine arguments on how RJJ would win.

But again that doesn't change the fact that RJJ is a shot fighter, and hasn't had a good showing since 2002.

Im asking you right now on the spot what had RJJ done in the last few years, that warranted a shot against Joe Calzaghe ? other than being a name for his past achievements ?

Because according to Joe Calzaghe, Felix Trinidad vs RJJ. Was a fight between two old hasbeen's. So if thats true why did he fight RJJ ? because obviously he also considered RJJ a shot fighter based on that comment ? he contradicts himself all the time.

If your honestly going to sit there and tell me RJJ isn't a shot fighter, and based on his comeback fights that he done anything to warrant a shot against Joe Calzaghe. And that based on his comeback fights and his last fight against Joe Calzaghe, that Joe Calzaghe deserves alot of credit for this win.

Then we might aswell end this debate right now because were not going to get anywhere, i was hoping RJJ to win and if he did win i would consider it a great achievement and i would be very happy. Because of his age and how far he has dropped off the rankings, it would of course be a great comeback/achievement over a top 4 P4P fighter.

But facts are facts as you like to put it Fenster, RJJ hasn't been the same fighter since dropping down to Light Heavyweight. And just because a few experts picked RJJ does not mean he wasn't a shot fighter.

I picked Calzaghe to win EASY!!! I was right. I don't have to answer for anything.

You can't MOAN, CRY and DISCREDIT Calzaghe's WIN if you believed he would LOSE. That would make you an inconsistent hypocrite.

ANYONE that thought Roy would WIN should be PRAISING Calzaghe. Fact. Especially if you thought he was "shot." It OBVIOUSLY means Calzaghe is a better fighter than you thought.

(wheres these facts i twist to suit Calzaghe?)

Im not moaning or crying im asking you to give me a legit, argument why RJJ deserved to fight Joe Calzaghe ? and what he had done in the past few years to suggest he deserved the fight ?

I asked you this last time and you avoided the question, your saying i should call it a great win for Joe Calzaghe and praise him. Yet you cannot give me a legit argument why i should ?

I already gave you the reason's why i thought RJJ was shot, and why i don't think he deserved the fight. And you have yet to counter any of my arguments which i listed above.

And your last comment makes no sense i thought RJJ was shot, then why should that mean because Joe Calzaghe beat him. That i should now think Joe Calzaghe is a better fighter than i thought ? that makes no sense.

[OumaFan]

Meh, Joe's a great fighter, but from day one I said this was a farce. If I had any money I would have put it on Joe, I could have sold blood and sperm and used the proceeds, hindsight is twenty twenty. Joe deserves credit for beating Kessler and Hopkins definitely though.

Lacy's a funny one. I know Calzaghe fans go on about how nobody was saying Lacy was overrated before hand which is true but events including the Calzaghe fight and since then clearly show that he was overrated.

[Fenster]

I didn't say everyone there again your twisting what im saying, but most people were "hoping". Some people obviously had genuine arguments on how RJJ would win.

But again that doesn't change the fact that RJJ is a shot fighter, and hasn't had a good showing since 2002.

Im asking you right now on the spot what had RJJ done in the last few years, that warranted a shot against Joe Calzaghe ? other than being a name for his past achievements ?

Because according to Joe Calzaghe, Felix Trinidad vs RJJ. Was a fight between two old hasbeen's. So if thats true why did he fight RJJ ? because obviously he also considered RJJ a shot fighter based on that comment ? he contradicts himself all the time.

If your honestly going to sit there and tell me RJJ isn't a shot fighter, and based on his comeback fights that he done anything to warrant a shot against Joe Calzaghe. And that based on his comeback fights and his last fight against Joe Calzaghe, that Joe Calzaghe deserves alot of credit for this win.

Then we might aswell end this debate right now because were not going to get anywhere, i was hoping RJJ to win and if he did win i would consider it a great achievement and i would be very happy. Because of his age and how far he has dropped off the rankings, it would of course be a great comeback/achievement over a top 4 P4P fighter.

But facts are facts as you like to put it Fenster, RJJ hasn't been the same fighter since dropping down to Light Heavyweight. And just because a few experts picked RJJ does not mean he wasn't a shot fighter.

I picked Calzaghe to win EASY!!! I was right. I don't have to answer for anything.

You can't MOAN, CRY and DISCREDIT Calzaghe's WIN if you believed he would LOSE. That would make you an inconsistent hypocrite.

ANYONE that thought Roy would WIN should be PRAISING Calzaghe. Fact. Especially if you thought he was "shot." It OBVIOUSLY means Calzaghe is a better fighter than you thought.

(wheres these facts i twist to suit Calzaghe?)

Im not moaning or crying im asking you to give me a legit, argument why RJJ deserved to fight Joe Calzaghe ? and what he had done in the past few years to suggest he deserved the fight ?

I asked you this last time and you avoided the question, your saying i should call it a great win for Joe Calzaghe and praise him. Yet you cannot give me a legit argument why i should ?

I already gave you the reason's why i thought RJJ was shot, and why i don't think he deserved the fight. And you have yet to counter any of my arguments which i listed above.

And your last comment makes no sense i thought RJJ was shot, then why should that mean because Joe Calzaghe beat him. That i should now think Joe Calzaghe is a better fighter than i thought ? that makes no sense.

You're making no sense.

YOU picked Roy.. not me. Why do I have to justify Roy's shot at Calzaghe? I thought Calzaghe would win. I was right. Whether i thought Roy was past his best or not is irrelevant.

The question you need to answer is - for yourself not for me - WHY did you BELIEVE a "shot" fighter would beat Calzaghe?

You love to point out how good or crap certain fighters are yet you picked a "shot" fighter to beat Calzaghe.

If you find the answer to that you'll understand why you are making threads denigrating people for giving Calzaghe credit for beating a legend.

[Andre]

Show me where i twist the facts to suit Calzaghe? Facts are facts.

So all the people picking Jones were just "hoping" he does? Even though they KNEW about all these lack of "flashes" and "killer instinct" they STILL picked Jones just "hoping?" How fucking CONVENIENT. And completely GUTLESS!!!

JT made sound reasons for a Roy win along with Bernard Hopkins, Lennox Lewis, Jeff Lacy, Glen Johnson, Vernon Forrest, James Toney, Powderpuff Malignaggi, Winky Wright ETC... along with a ton of press "experts."

If Roy had won you'd be telling EVERYONE how great you are for picking Roy.

You can't have it both ways.

I didn't say everyone there again your twisting what im saying, but most people were "hoping". Some people obviously had genuine arguments on how RJJ would win.

But again that doesn't change the fact that RJJ is a shot fighter, and hasn't had a good showing since 2002.

Im asking you right now on the spot what had RJJ done in the last few years, that warranted a shot against Joe Calzaghe ? other than being a name for his past achievements ?

Because according to Joe Calzaghe, Felix Trinidad vs RJJ. Was a fight between two old hasbeen's. So if thats true why did he fight RJJ ? because obviously he also considered RJJ a shot fighter based on that comment ? he contradicts himself all the time.

If your honestly going to sit there and tell me RJJ isn't a shot fighter, and based on his comeback fights that he done anything to warrant a shot against Joe Calzaghe. And that based on his comeback fights and his last fight against Joe Calzaghe, that Joe Calzaghe deserves alot of credit for this win.

Then we might aswell end this debate right now because were not going to get anywhere, i was hoping RJJ to win and if he did win i would consider it a great achievement and i would be very happy. Because of his age and how far he has dropped off the rankings, it would of course be a great comeback/achievement over a top 4 P4P fighter.

But facts are facts as you like to put it Fenster, RJJ hasn't been the same fighter since dropping down to Light Heavyweight. And just because a few experts picked RJJ does not mean he wasn't a shot fighter.

I picked Calzaghe to win EASY!!! I was right. I don't have to answer for anything.

You can't MOAN, CRY and DISCREDIT Calzaghe's WIN if you believed he would LOSE. That would make you an inconsistent hypocrite.

ANYONE that thought Roy would WIN should be PRAISING Calzaghe. Fact. Especially if you thought he was "shot." It OBVIOUSLY means Calzaghe is a better fighter than you thought.

(wheres these facts i twist to suit Calzaghe?)

I wanted Roy to win this,wanted to see the underdog get up and go hard make something of it.
He isnt explosive anymore and thats where he collected all his wins,so its over he cant train it back into himself as we had hoped he might.

Joe did great and made it look as easy as he could by fartin around as he did it and really who wouldn't mirror someone who continually smirked at you and gave no respect?

Joe was down too and he got back up and just went on with it.
Top marks.

*Bernard is going to want a rematch and if Joe could go again ,make him look less of the fighter than he is by fighting a real fight, then that would be the great finish to his careera that both him and everyone was looking for.

Roy lost this one for himself which is why Joe tried to make it look easy.

Full marks.

[Saddo]

Well i guess i'm a fan boy

i think its great what Joe has achived throughout his career.. i picked Lacy to beat him and thought he put on a master class.

I have slated Joe in the past for some of the fights he has taken, Manfredo i was on his case bigtime because i feel he can do far better than that. and to me now he has.

still not seen this fight yet had a really busy weekend but am gonna soon.

i doubt he will retire but prob should as he aint getting any younger and will never get the credit he deserves from people who just don't like him.

but from me WELL DONE JOE... great fighter, great legacy IMO

[RP33]

Calzaghe deserves credit because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

If Roy had won would no-one be giving him credit? Nobody would be gloating over Calzaghe's loss?

Calzaghe would have been SLAUGHTERED.

If the fight was even remotely close Calzaghe would have been slagged-off something cronic.

Now people are moaning about him winning too EASILY.. that he showboated too much.

Of course RJJ would get more credit isn't that obvious ? he was considered a shot fighter. And at 39 years old it would of been a great achievement beating a top 4 P4P fighter.

Just like if George Foreman would of lost to Michael Moorer, Michael Moorer wouldn't have gotten the credit George Foreman did. Thats the way it works.

Fenster you are biased to Joe Calzaghe, you do give facts/stats ETC but you twist them in a way to suit Joe Calzaghe.

People who were picking RJJ were "hoping" RJJ would turn back the clock. Hoping is the key word here Fenster.

The fact is RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win or the killer instinct since 2002. He couldn't finish off Felix Trinidad, Anthony Hanshaw, when he had them in huge trouble.

For the simple reason he hasn't got fire in his belly anymore. He has only shown "flashes" of his old self in his comeback fights. Again Fenster flashes being the key word here again.

And he has only shown flashes because of the opposition he was up against. Lets be fair here and give Joe Calzaghe his credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, because Bernard Hopkins is a very young 43 year old with plenty still left.

But giving Joe Calzaghe alot of credit for beating a fighter, who hasn't had a good showing for atleast 6 or 7 years, is being biased to Joe Calzaghe and not fair.

Show me where i twist the facts to suit Calzaghe? Facts are facts.

So all the people picking Jones were just "hoping" he does? Even though they KNEW about all these lack of "flashes" and "killer instinct" they STILL picked Jones just "hoping?" How fucking CONVENIENT. And completely GUTLESS!!!

JT made sound reasons for a Roy win along with Bernard Hopkins, Lennox Lewis, Jeff Lacy, Glen Johnson, Vernon Forrest, James Toney, Powderpuff Malignaggi, Winky Wright ETC... along with a ton of press "experts."

If Roy had won you'd be telling EVERYONE how great you are for picking Roy.

You can't have it both ways.

eh, i've never really seen ICB gloat.. I think it was shane mosely who sort of summarized most of the RJJ fans views.. said something that he wanted RJJ to win but that calzaghe was too heavily favored..

In just about every pre-fight analysis, when asked who has more to gain/lose from this fight, the answer was always calzaghe.. if he lost he would've been slaughtered, you're right.. and now that he has won, he beat 39 year old shell of a fighter, and doesn't get credit..

If roy goes on to beat a young up and comer, like hopkins did, then calzaghe would get a lot more credit for this, but id on't see this happening..

[Taeth]

My question is when did guys like Bika ever give Roy problems when he was anywhere near his prime? The most similar guy to that is Merqui Sosa who Roy knocked out in 2 rounds. They are similar fighters Roy and Joe, but Roy is that much faster, and hits that much harder, and punches that much straighter.

Once again didn't Glen Johnson beat Roy THAT easily? And Roy was actually throwing combinations in that fight, Didn't Tarver beat Roy THAT easily in their third fight?

Thats why Joe is not getting any respect, because he doesn't deserve it FOR THIS FIGHT

Against Kessler I give him all the credit in the world, Kessler is a really good fighter and Joe beat him handily. Joe had a very close fight with Bernard where he kept on imposing himself more and more in the fight, but I think that was because Bernard is so old, but still Bernard is still an amazing fighter, and Joe gets a lot of credit for what he did, but still Jermain Taylor fought just as well against Bernard, Roy fought better against a much younger Bernard who was on the verge of his prime IMO.

[bambamdaddio]

Calzaghe deserves credit because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

If Roy had won would no-one be giving him credit? Nobody would be gloating over Calzaghe's loss?

Calzaghe would have been SLAUGHTERED.

If the fight was even remotely close Calzaghe would have been slagged-off something cronic.

Now people are moaning about him winning too EASILY.. that he showboated too much.

Absolutely spot on

[jack2121]

Calzaghe deserves credit because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

If Roy had won would no-one be giving him credit? Nobody would be gloating over Calzaghe's loss?

Calzaghe would have been SLAUGHTERED.

If the fight was even remotely close Calzaghe would have been slagged-off something cronic.

Now people are moaning about him winning too EASILY.. that he showboated too much.

sorry fenster i am a big jc fan but its IMPOSIBLE to give jc credit for beating a washed up roy jones, hes not even half the man he was. like ive said so many times the fight would have meant so much more 8 years ago heck even 10 yrs ago!

[Fenster]

Calzaghe deserves credit because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

If Roy had won would no-one be giving him credit? Nobody would be gloating over Calzaghe's loss?

Calzaghe would have been SLAUGHTERED.

If the fight was even remotely close Calzaghe would have been slagged-off something cronic.

Now people are moaning about him winning too EASILY.. that he showboated too much.

sorry fenster i am a big jc fan but its IMPOSIBLE to give jc credit for beating a washed up roy jones, hes not even half the man he was. like ive said so many times the fight would have meant so much more 8 years ago heck even 10 yrs ago!

Yes, Roy was past his best, everyone can acknowledge that. But enough people thought Roy would win to make Calzaghe deserve SOME credit.

Anyone BEFORE the fight that said - "this is a pathetic shit mismatch, Roy is beyond SHOT, Calzaghe will humiliate and destroy him" .. then I don't expect them to give Calzaghe any credit.