Giving Joe Calzaghe Credit For Beating This Version Of RJJ.....

[ICB]

Show me where i twist the facts to suit Calzaghe? Facts are facts.

So all the people picking Jones were just "hoping" he does? Even though they KNEW about all these lack of "flashes" and "killer instinct" they STILL picked Jones just "hoping?" How fucking CONVENIENT. And completely GUTLESS!!!

JT made sound reasons for a Roy win along with Bernard Hopkins, Lennox Lewis, Jeff Lacy, Glen Johnson, Vernon Forrest, James Toney, Powderpuff Malignaggi, Winky Wright ETC... along with a ton of press "experts."

If Roy had won you'd be telling EVERYONE how great you are for picking Roy.

You can't have it both ways.

I didn't say everyone there again your twisting what im saying, but most people were "hoping". Some people obviously had genuine arguments on how RJJ would win.

But again that doesn't change the fact that RJJ is a shot fighter, and hasn't had a good showing since 2002.

Im asking you right now on the spot what had RJJ done in the last few years, that warranted a shot against Joe Calzaghe ? other than being a name for his past achievements ?

Because according to Joe Calzaghe, Felix Trinidad vs RJJ. Was a fight between two old hasbeen's. So if thats true why did he fight RJJ ? because obviously he also considered RJJ a shot fighter based on that comment ? he contradicts himself all the time.

If your honestly going to sit there and tell me RJJ isn't a shot fighter, and based on his comeback fights that he done anything to warrant a shot against Joe Calzaghe. And that based on his comeback fights and his last fight against Joe Calzaghe, that Joe Calzaghe deserves alot of credit for this win.

Then we might aswell end this debate right now because were not going to get anywhere, i was hoping RJJ to win and if he did win i would consider it a great achievement and i would be very happy. Because of his age and how far he has dropped off the rankings, it would of course be a great comeback/achievement over a top 4 P4P fighter.

But facts are facts as you like to put it Fenster, RJJ hasn't been the same fighter since dropping down to Light Heavyweight. And just because a few experts picked RJJ does not mean he wasn't a shot fighter.

I picked Calzaghe to win EASY!!! I was right. I don't have to answer for anything.

You can't MOAN, CRY and DISCREDIT Calzaghe's WIN if you believed he would LOSE. That would make you an inconsistent hypocrite.

ANYONE that thought Roy would WIN should be PRAISING Calzaghe. Fact. Especially if you thought he was "shot." It OBVIOUSLY means Calzaghe is a better fighter than you thought.

(wheres these facts i twist to suit Calzaghe?)

Im not moaning or crying im asking you to give me a legit, argument why RJJ deserved to fight Joe Calzaghe ? and what he had done in the past few years to suggest he deserved the fight ?

I asked you this last time and you avoided the question, your saying i should call it a great win for Joe Calzaghe and praise him. Yet you cannot give me a legit argument why i should ?

I already gave you the reason's why i thought RJJ was shot, and why i don't think he deserved the fight. And you have yet to counter any of my arguments which i listed above.

And your last comment makes no sense i thought RJJ was shot, then why should that mean because Joe Calzaghe beat him. That i should now think Joe Calzaghe is a better fighter than i thought ? that makes no sense.

[OumaFan]

Meh, Joe's a great fighter, but from day one I said this was a farce. If I had any money I would have put it on Joe, I could have sold blood and sperm and used the proceeds, hindsight is twenty twenty. Joe deserves credit for beating Kessler and Hopkins definitely though.

Lacy's a funny one. I know Calzaghe fans go on about how nobody was saying Lacy was overrated before hand which is true but events including the Calzaghe fight and since then clearly show that he was overrated.

[OumaFan]

Seventeen posts to go.

[Fenster]

I didn't say everyone there again your twisting what im saying, but most people were "hoping". Some people obviously had genuine arguments on how RJJ would win.

But again that doesn't change the fact that RJJ is a shot fighter, and hasn't had a good showing since 2002.

Im asking you right now on the spot what had RJJ done in the last few years, that warranted a shot against Joe Calzaghe ? other than being a name for his past achievements ?

Because according to Joe Calzaghe, Felix Trinidad vs RJJ. Was a fight between two old hasbeen's. So if thats true why did he fight RJJ ? because obviously he also considered RJJ a shot fighter based on that comment ? he contradicts himself all the time.

If your honestly going to sit there and tell me RJJ isn't a shot fighter, and based on his comeback fights that he done anything to warrant a shot against Joe Calzaghe. And that based on his comeback fights and his last fight against Joe Calzaghe, that Joe Calzaghe deserves alot of credit for this win.

Then we might aswell end this debate right now because were not going to get anywhere, i was hoping RJJ to win and if he did win i would consider it a great achievement and i would be very happy. Because of his age and how far he has dropped off the rankings, it would of course be a great comeback/achievement over a top 4 P4P fighter.

But facts are facts as you like to put it Fenster, RJJ hasn't been the same fighter since dropping down to Light Heavyweight. And just because a few experts picked RJJ does not mean he wasn't a shot fighter.

I picked Calzaghe to win EASY!!! I was right. I don't have to answer for anything.

You can't MOAN, CRY and DISCREDIT Calzaghe's WIN if you believed he would LOSE. That would make you an inconsistent hypocrite.

ANYONE that thought Roy would WIN should be PRAISING Calzaghe. Fact. Especially if you thought he was "shot." It OBVIOUSLY means Calzaghe is a better fighter than you thought.

(wheres these facts i twist to suit Calzaghe?)

Im not moaning or crying im asking you to give me a legit, argument why RJJ deserved to fight Joe Calzaghe ? and what he had done in the past few years to suggest he deserved the fight ?

I asked you this last time and you avoided the question, your saying i should call it a great win for Joe Calzaghe and praise him. Yet you cannot give me a legit argument why i should ?

I already gave you the reason's why i thought RJJ was shot, and why i don't think he deserved the fight. And you have yet to counter any of my arguments which i listed above.

And your last comment makes no sense i thought RJJ was shot, then why should that mean because Joe Calzaghe beat him. That i should now think Joe Calzaghe is a better fighter than i thought ? that makes no sense.

You're making no sense.

YOU picked Roy.. not me. Why do I have to justify Roy's shot at Calzaghe? I thought Calzaghe would win. I was right. Whether i thought Roy was past his best or not is irrelevant.

The question you need to answer is - for yourself not for me - WHY did you BELIEVE a "shot" fighter would beat Calzaghe?

You love to point out how good or crap certain fighters are yet you picked a "shot" fighter to beat Calzaghe.

If you find the answer to that you'll understand why you are making threads denigrating people for giving Calzaghe credit for beating a legend.

[ICB]

I picked Calzaghe to win EASY!!! I was right. I don't have to answer for anything.

You can't MOAN, CRY and DISCREDIT Calzaghe's WIN if you believed he would LOSE. That would make you an inconsistent hypocrite.

ANYONE that thought Roy would WIN should be PRAISING Calzaghe. Fact. Especially if you thought he was "shot." It OBVIOUSLY means Calzaghe is a better fighter than you thought.

(wheres these facts i twist to suit Calzaghe?)

Im not moaning or crying im asking you to give me a legit, argument why RJJ deserved to fight Joe Calzaghe ? and what he had done in the past few years to suggest he deserved the fight ?

I asked you this last time and you avoided the question, your saying i should call it a great win for Joe Calzaghe and praise him. Yet you cannot give me a legit argument why i should ?

I already gave you the reason's why i thought RJJ was shot, and why i don't think he deserved the fight. And you have yet to counter any of my arguments which i listed above.

And your last comment makes no sense i thought RJJ was shot, then why should that mean because Joe Calzaghe beat him. That i should now think Joe Calzaghe is a better fighter than i thought ? that makes no sense.

You're making no sense.

YOU picked Roy.. not me. Why do I have to justify Roy's shot at Calzaghe? I thought Calzaghe would win. I was right. Whether i thought Roy was past his best or not is irrelevant.

The question you need to answer is - for yourself not for me - WHY did you BELIEVE a "shot" fighter would beat Calzaghe?

You love to point out how good or crap certain fighters are yet you picked a "shot" fighter to beat Calzaghe.

If you find the answer to that you'll understand why you are making threads denigrating people for giving Calzaghe credit for beating a legend.

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

[Fenster]

Im not moaning or crying im asking you to give me a legit, argument why RJJ deserved to fight Joe Calzaghe ? and what he had done in the past few years to suggest he deserved the fight ?

I asked you this last time and you avoided the question, your saying i should call it a great win for Joe Calzaghe and praise him. Yet you cannot give me a legit argument why i should ?

I already gave you the reason's why i thought RJJ was shot, and why i don't think he deserved the fight. And you have yet to counter any of my arguments which i listed above.

And your last comment makes no sense i thought RJJ was shot, then why should that mean because Joe Calzaghe beat him. That i should now think Joe Calzaghe is a better fighter than i thought ? that makes no sense.

You're making no sense.

YOU picked Roy.. not me. Why do I have to justify Roy's shot at Calzaghe? I thought Calzaghe would win. I was right. Whether i thought Roy was past his best or not is irrelevant.

The question you need to answer is - for yourself not for me - WHY did you BELIEVE a "shot" fighter would beat Calzaghe?

You love to point out how good or crap certain fighters are yet you picked a "shot" fighter to beat Calzaghe.

If you find the answer to that you'll understand why you are making threads denigrating people for giving Calzaghe credit for beating a legend.

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

Blimey, i think you've confused yourself.

Lets make it simple..

Did you pick Roy or Joe to win this fight?

[ICB]

You're making no sense.

YOU picked Roy.. not me. Why do I have to justify Roy's shot at Calzaghe? I thought Calzaghe would win. I was right. Whether i thought Roy was past his best or not is irrelevant.

The question you need to answer is - for yourself not for me - WHY did you BELIEVE a "shot" fighter would beat Calzaghe?

You love to point out how good or crap certain fighters are yet you picked a "shot" fighter to beat Calzaghe.

If you find the answer to that you'll understand why you are making threads denigrating people for giving Calzaghe credit for beating a legend.

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

Blimey, i think you've confused yourself.

Lets make it simple..

Did you pick Roy or Joe to win this fight?

I was rooting for RJJ but i thought Joe Calzaghe would win the fight, hence why i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite.

And answer my question above this is the 5th time you have avoided the question. It sounds like you have no real legit arguement, why i should praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ.

[No Contest]

You know how every boxer says "that wasnt me" after a loss? That wasnt RJJ, it was his twin slower brother.

[ICB]

You know how every boxer says "that wasnt me" after a loss? That wasnt RJJ, it was his twin slower brother.

Your damn right i watched a prime RJJ yesterday, it looked like a completely different fighter.

[Fenster]

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

Blimey, i think you've confused yourself.

Lets make it simple..

Did you pick Roy or Joe to win this fight?

I was rooting for RJJ but i thought Joe Calzaghe would win the fight, hence why i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite.

And answer my question above this is the 5th time you have avoided the question. It sounds like you have no real legit arguement, why i should praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ.

I'm not avoiding any question. If you knew Calzaghe would win and it was such a shit match then I don't expect you to praise Calzaghe.

Only a moronic hypocrite would pick a "shot" Roy to beat Calzaghe then say Calzaghe's win means nothing because Roy was SHOT!!! Get it?

This obviously doesn't apply to you as you've said you knew Roy was "shot."

But why are you currently called leftylee number 1 groupie

[ICB]

Blimey, i think you've confused yourself.

Lets make it simple..

Did you pick Roy or Joe to win this fight?

I was rooting for RJJ but i thought Joe Calzaghe would win the fight, hence why i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite.

And answer my question above this is the 5th time you have avoided the question. It sounds like you have no real legit arguement, why i should praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ.

I'm not avoiding any question. If you knew Calzaghe would win and it was such a shit match then I don't expect you to praise Calzaghe.

Only a moronic hypocrite would pick a "shot" Roy to beat Calzaghe then say Calzaghe's win means nothing because Roy was SHOT!!! Get it?

This obviously doesn't apply to you as you've said you knew Roy was "shot."

But why are you currently called leftylee number 1 groupie

Yes i did know RJJ was shot and heres the proof.

"RJJ isn't even in the top 20 P4P his last good performance was against John Ruiz back in 2003. And his last stoppage win was against Clinton woods in 2002. And everyone was saying RJJ should retire, so why now should Joe Calzaghe get credit for beating a fighter.

Who in his comeback fights lost 4 rounds to a blown up Welterweight Felix Trinidad who hadn't fought since 2005, also scrapped through a decision win over the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw ? answer me that."

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...se-haters.html

I basically said what i have said in this thread, and yet again how many times do i have to ask you this before i get an answer ? you praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ, yet you can't give me any legit reasons why ? and you can't give me any legit reasons why RJJ deserved the fight ?

[ono]

Im not moaning or crying im asking you to give me a legit, argument why RJJ deserved to fight Joe Calzaghe ? and what he had done in the past few years to suggest he deserved the fight ?

I asked you this last time and you avoided the question, your saying i should call it a great win for Joe Calzaghe and praise him. Yet you cannot give me a legit argument why i should ?

I already gave you the reason's why i thought RJJ was shot, and why i don't think he deserved the fight. And you have yet to counter any of my arguments which i listed above.

And your last comment makes no sense i thought RJJ was shot, then why should that mean because Joe Calzaghe beat him. That i should now think Joe Calzaghe is a better fighter than i thought ? that makes no sense.

You're making no sense.

YOU picked Roy.. not me. Why do I have to justify Roy's shot at Calzaghe? I thought Calzaghe would win. I was right. Whether i thought Roy was past his best or not is irrelevant.

The question you need to answer is - for yourself not for me - WHY did you BELIEVE a "shot" fighter would beat Calzaghe?

You love to point out how good or crap certain fighters are yet you picked a "shot" fighter to beat Calzaghe.

If you find the answer to that you'll understand why you are making threads denigrating people for giving Calzaghe credit for beating a legend.

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

Eh didn't you pick Jones to win?

[ICB]

You're making no sense.

YOU picked Roy.. not me. Why do I have to justify Roy's shot at Calzaghe? I thought Calzaghe would win. I was right. Whether i thought Roy was past his best or not is irrelevant.

The question you need to answer is - for yourself not for me - WHY did you BELIEVE a "shot" fighter would beat Calzaghe?

You love to point out how good or crap certain fighters are yet you picked a "shot" fighter to beat Calzaghe.

If you find the answer to that you'll understand why you are making threads denigrating people for giving Calzaghe credit for beating a legend.

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

Eh didn't you pick Jones to win?

Read through the thread.

[jack2121]

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

Eh didn't you pick Jones to win?

Read through the thread.

Lads calm down. First of wether your a jc or rjj fan i think most people knew joe would win on points even if you were rooting for jones deep down you knew rjj wouldnt pull it off. In saying that i am a huge calzaghe fan and through no fault of his own joe has beaten who ever they put in front of him, but its IMPOSIBLE to give him full credit for beating a washed up roy jones, hes not even half the man he was. like ive said so many times the fight would have meant so much more 8 years ago and once again not joes fault we have frank warren to thank for us having these arguments and no closure on the jones v calzaghe subject. thanks frank!

[Napolis]

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.