Joe Calzaghe P4P #1?

[JT Rock]

If Pac wasn fighting Oscar next month I would give Joe the Nod, he is undefeated and at one time held ring belts at 168-175 and now is the best 175 fighter in the world.

Regardless of all you hindsight Jockies, be beat Lacy who was a beast and the Heir apparent

Kessler- enough said

awkward Bika

Hopkins

Jones- who wasnt shot

Jones and Hopkins were more competitive than Barrera and Morales the 2nd time around..

But if Pac beats Oscar who is bigger and stronger and not shot than Pac has a stranglehold on PFP, since no one is going to equal that feat anytime soon.. If Manny loses than Joe takes his rightful spot

RJJ who wasn't shot ? you gotta be kidding there bro ? RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002, and hasn't had the killer instinct or the stamina since 2002, he was way past his past his best.

Atleast MAB when he fought Manny Pacquiao a 2nd time, was coming off a controversial decision loss to one of the top P4P fighters in the world JMM. And Erik Morales was still a good fighter in the first 2 fights with Manny Pacquiao, he was completely shot after though.

Jones couldnt deal wih Joes workrate, he would have been fine against a guy who fought a normal moderate pace, his legs looked good he was moving , wasnt giving in and was brave.. still showed handspeed when he through and stunned Joe a few times with power..

Jones wasnt the Jones we marveled at but he is still a pretty good fighter

[ICB]

If Pac wasn fighting Oscar next month I would give Joe the Nod, he is undefeated and at one time held ring belts at 168-175 and now is the best 175 fighter in the world.

Regardless of all you hindsight Jockies, be beat Lacy who was a beast and the Heir apparent

Kessler- enough said

awkward Bika

Hopkins

Jones- who wasnt shot

Jones and Hopkins were more competitive than Barrera and Morales the 2nd time around..

But if Pac beats Oscar who is bigger and stronger and not shot than Pac has a stranglehold on PFP, since no one is going to equal that feat anytime soon.. If Manny loses than Joe takes his rightful spot

RJJ who wasn't shot ? you gotta be kidding there bro ? RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002, and hasn't had the killer instinct or the stamina since 2002, he was way past his past his best.

Atleast MAB when he fought Manny Pacquiao a 2nd time, was coming off a controversial decision loss to one of the top P4P fighters in the world JMM. And Erik Morales was still a good fighter in the first 2 fights with Manny Pacquiao, he was completely shot after though.

Jones couldnt deal wih Joes workrate, he would have been fine against a guy who fought a normal moderate pace, his legs looked good he was moving , wasnt giving in and was brave.. still showed handspeed when he through and stunned Joe a few times with power..

Jones wasnt the Jones we marveled at but he is still a pretty good fighter

I was actually pretty disappointed with RJJ, Joe Calzaghe was standing right infront of him with his hands down. And RJJ didn't do anything, and he didn't counter nearly as much as i thought he would.

I just watched a prime RJJ yesterday jeez what a difference, it didn't even look like the same fighter to the version that fought Joe Calzaghe.

I think problem is that RJJ hasn't got the killer instinct no more, and that showed in the 3rd Antonio Tarver fight.

And even more alarmingly in his comeback fights, he had Felix Trinidad, Anthony Hanshaw, in huge trouble and he couldn't finish them off. Plus he didn't have the stamina in any of those fights either.

RJJ still has speed but he doesn't put combinations together JT, which was one of his best attributes. Its all one punch at a time, ever since RJJ moved down from Heavyweight he has looked pretty poor in most of his fights IMO.

[JT Rock]

RJJ who wasn't shot ? you gotta be kidding there bro ? RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002, and hasn't had the killer instinct or the stamina since 2002, he was way past his past his best.

Atleast MAB when he fought Manny Pacquiao a 2nd time, was coming off a controversial decision loss to one of the top P4P fighters in the world JMM. And Erik Morales was still a good fighter in the first 2 fights with Manny Pacquiao, he was completely shot after though.

Jones couldnt deal wih Joes workrate, he would have been fine against a guy who fought a normal moderate pace, his legs looked good he was moving , wasnt giving in and was brave.. still showed handspeed when he through and stunned Joe a few times with power..

Jones wasnt the Jones we marveled at but he is still a pretty good fighter

I was actually pretty disappointed with RJJ, Joe Calzaghe was standing right infront of him with his hands down. And RJJ didn't do anything, and he didn't counter nearly as much as i thought he would.

I just watched a prime RJJ yesterday jeez what a difference, it didn't even look like the same fighter to the version that fought Joe Calzaghe.

I think problem is that RJJ hasn't got the killer instinct no more, and that showed in the 3rd Antonio Tarver fight.

And even more alarmingly in his comeback fights, he had Felix Trinidad, Anthony Hanshaw, in huge trouble and he couldn't finish them off. Plus he didn't have the stamina in any of those fights either.

RJJ still has speed but he doesn't put combinations together JT, which was one of his best attributes. Its all one punch at a time, ever since RJJ moved down from Heavyweight he has looked pretty poor in most of his fights IMO.

I agree, and said it already, no where near the fighter we marveled at, but still a pretty damn good fighter, I have no doubt that if he jumped on Joe after the KD that he could have had the most spectacular 1st round KO in years he was fresh full of speed and power but like you said dosent have the killer instinct, he let Trinidad off the hook, hell in the 5th round he let tarver off the hook in there 3rd fight, he had Tarver folded over and stunned from bodyshots and uppercuts ready to go against the ropes and he backed away...

Joe was hurt and hurt real bad, that wasnt a flash KD he was dazed silly and Jones either thought he would be doing that allnite or dosent have the killer instinct..

Jones was one of the best or the best finisher in the business at one time, now he could careless and that was a huge part of his game.. Guys like RJJ and PBF are so much fun to watch when they close the show they way they pounce and just dissect there opponent with excellent punch selection

[DaxxKahn]

RJJ who wasn't shot ? you gotta be kidding there bro ? RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002, and hasn't had the killer instinct or the stamina since 2002, he was way past his past his best.

Atleast MAB when he fought Manny Pacquiao a 2nd time, was coming off a controversial decision loss to one of the top P4P fighters in the world JMM. And Erik Morales was still a good fighter in the first 2 fights with Manny Pacquiao, he was completely shot after though.

Jones couldnt deal wih Joes workrate, he would have been fine against a guy who fought a normal moderate pace, his legs looked good he was moving , wasnt giving in and was brave.. still showed handspeed when he through and stunned Joe a few times with power..

Jones wasnt the Jones we marveled at but he is still a pretty good fighter

I was actually pretty disappointed with RJJ, Joe Calzaghe was standing right infront of him with his hands down. And RJJ didn't do anything, and he didn't counter nearly as much as i thought he would.

I just watched a prime RJJ yesterday jeez what a difference, it didn't even look like the same fighter to the version that fought Joe Calzaghe.

I think problem is that RJJ hasn't got the killer instinct no more, and that showed in the 3rd Antonio Tarver fight.

And even more alarmingly in his comeback fights, he had Felix Trinidad, Anthony Hanshaw, in huge trouble and he couldn't finish them off. Plus he didn't have the stamina in any of those fights either.

RJJ still has speed but he doesn't put combinations together JT, which was one of his best attributes. Its all one punch at a time, ever since RJJ moved down from Heavyweight he has looked pretty poor in most of his fights IMO.

Roy can't pull the trigger at will anymore simple as that.....

[Mr140]

Well i dont know if i would have Pernell that high i still have guys like Duran, Leonard, and Hearns ahead of him in pound for pound.

[ICB]

Well i dont know if i would have Pernell that high i still have guys like Duran, Leonard, and Hearns ahead of him in pound for pound.

Pernell Whitaker.

Julio Cesar Chavez Win
Azumah Nelson
Jose Luis Ramirez x2 Win
ODLH Draw
Greg Haugen
Wilfredo Rivera x2
James McGirt x2
Freddie Pendleton
Roger Mayweather
Jorge Paez
Rafael Pineda
Julio Cesar Vasquez

ETC.

I don't think your find that many quality wins on Roberto Duran or SRL resume. Plus i think he stayed at the top much longer than those guys did, SRL retired alot. And Roberto Duran lost alot in the 80s.

[Tysonbruno]

Joe beats a 39 nearly 40 year old Roy Jones and now the fanboys want him to be P4P#1 LOL he is number 3 and thats it

[No Contest]

Right now my all time out of those 3
B-Hop 1
RJJ 2
Calzaghe 3

[ono]

Yeah until December 6th and Manny beats Oscar