Chad Dawson vs Joe Calzaghe

[Kev]

If you follow this linear champ stuff to the letter you'd have to say that for a brief period in 2006 Carlos Baldimor was the best fighter in the world at 147 lbs.

Is that really the case?

Did his win over Zab mean it was job done, he'd cleaned up at welterweight and could down in history as an undisputed universally recognised champ?

This is a rhetorical question obviously any answer other than 'FUCKING HELL NO!!!!' is completely wrong

Ive explained to you before being the linear champ doesn't necessarily mean you're the best fighter.

Mate you seem to contradict and repeat yourself so much, please answer me this

Do you class Hopkins as a lightheavy champ?

Yeah of course.

It's not complicated Fenster. I recognise both Hopkins and Calzaghe as light heavyweight champs, I have no problem with people calling Calzaghe a two weight world champ.

BUT he's not the undisputed champion at 175 because he hasn't unified the division and beaten the obvious rival.

He can't claim dominance over the 175 lb division like he can with the 168 lb division because he hasn't beaten all of his rivals.

Look back to the days of Ancient Rome and the triumvirate between Julius Ceaser, Pompey and Marcus Crassus. They each held control over parts of the Roman empire. Crassus was killed in battle at Carhaee and eliminated, and then Ceaser and Pompey slugged it out for the title of Roman Emporer.

Fast forward to now and we have Hopkins, Calzaghe and Dawson all with a claim to the lightheavyweight throne. Hopkins has been defeated and unless he can rally and force calzaghe to do battle again is now out of the running.

That leaves Calzaghe to face Dawson for the crown.

It's great to have a lineage but what's important is for ALL the important fights to be made and for the best fighters to fight each other.

If Calzaghe retires and doesn't fight Dawson, whilst he's still a legend, and all time great he won't have completed his conquest at 175, he would have withdrawn.

Continuing with my Roman analogy, it's like when Ceaser defeated Vercingetorix and conquered the Gauls (supermidlleweight division) and then decided to invade Britain (lightheavy).

Instead of conquering them, he fought a couple of meaningless skirmish battles, bogged down for the winter and then fucked off.

Now if the history books had reported Julius as ruler of Britain it would have been wrong. He got a couple of minor tribal kings to swear allegiance but he couldn't take the country and so 'retired' undefeated as it were in battle but without adding the British Isles to his resume.

So Calzaghe, the modern day conquerer has a chance to go one better than Julius Ceaser if he can pacify the lightheavyweight division and break a 2000 year old record!

He needs to fight Dawson

[Fenster]

If you follow this linear champ stuff to the letter you'd have to say that for a brief period in 2006 Carlos Baldimor was the best fighter in the world at 147 lbs.

Is that really the case?

Did his win over Zab mean it was job done, he'd cleaned up at welterweight and could down in history as an undisputed universally recognised champ?

This is a rhetorical question obviously any answer other than 'FUCKING HELL NO!!!!' is completely wrong

Ive explained to you before being the linear champ doesn't necessarily mean you're the best fighter.

Mate you seem to contradict and repeat yourself so much, please answer me this

Do you class Hopkins as a lightheavy champ?

Yeah of course.

It's not complicated Fenster. I recognise both Hopkins and Calzaghe as light heavyweight champs, I have no problem with people calling Calzaghe a two weight world champ.

BUT he's not the undisputed champion at 175 because he hasn't unified the division and beaten the obvious rival.

He can't claim dominance over the 175 lb division like he can with the 168 lb division because he hasn't beaten all of his rivals.

Look back to the days of Ancient Rome and the triumvirate between Julius Ceaser, Pompey and Marcus Crassus. They each held control over parts of the Roman empire. Crassus was killed in battle at Carhaee and eliminated, and then Ceaser and Pompey slugged it out for the title of Roman Emporer.

Fast forward to now and we have Hopkins, Calzaghe and Dawson all with a claim to the lightheavyweight throne. Hopkins has been defeated and unless he can rally and force calzaghe to do battle again is now out of the running.

That leaves Calzaghe to face Dawson for the crown.

It's great to have a lineage but what's important is for ALL the important fights to be made and for the best fighters to fight each other.

If Calzaghe retires and doesn't fight Dawson, whilst he's still a legend, and all time great he won't have completed his conquest at 175, he would have withdrawn.

Continuing with my Roman analogy, it's like when Ceaser defeated Vercingetorix and conquered the Gauls (supermidlleweight division) and then decided to invade Britain (lightheavy).

Instead of conquering them, he fought a couple of meaningless skirmish battles, bogged down for the winter and then fucked off.

Now if the history books had reported Julius as ruler of Britain it would have been wrong. He got a couple of minor tribal kings to swear allegiance but he couldn't take the country and so 'retired' undefeated as it were in battle but without adding the British Isles to his resume.

So Calzaghe, the modern day conquerer has a chance to go one better than Julius Ceaser if he can pacify the lightheavyweight division and break a 2000 year old record!

He needs to fight Dawson

Thank fuck for that. I'm not reading the rest you nutter.

You accept they didn't need an alphabet to be recognised as champ. That's all ive been getting at from the start.

[ICB]

Fenster remember when i told you when Chad Dawson, beats Antonio Tarver. That people will want Chad Dawson vs Joe Calzaghe more so than Kelly Pavlik vs Joe Calzaghe ? will there you have it a prediction come true

[Kev]

Fenster remember when i told you when Chad Dawson, beats Antonio Tarver. That people will want Chad Dawson vs Joe Calzaghe more so than Kelly Pavlik vs Joe Calzaghe ? will there you have it a prediction come true

To be fair I think it was more Pavlik's tame surrender to Hopkins where he mentally gave up without a fight that meant Dawson became the people's choice.

Had Pavlik beaten Hopkins like he was expected to everyone would be wanting Pavlik Hopkins.

[Kev]

Ive explained to you before being the linear champ doesn't necessarily mean you're the best fighter.

Mate you seem to contradict and repeat yourself so much, please answer me this

Do you class Hopkins as a lightheavy champ?

Yeah of course.

It's not complicated Fenster. I recognise both Hopkins and Calzaghe as light heavyweight champs, I have no problem with people calling Calzaghe a two weight world champ.

BUT he's not the undisputed champion at 175 because he hasn't unified the division and beaten the obvious rival.

He can't claim dominance over the 175 lb division like he can with the 168 lb division because he hasn't beaten all of his rivals.

Look back to the days of Ancient Rome and the triumvirate between Julius Ceaser, Pompey and Marcus Crassus. They each held control over parts of the Roman empire. Crassus was killed in battle at Carhaee and eliminated, and then Ceaser and Pompey slugged it out for the title of Roman Emporer.

Fast forward to now and we have Hopkins, Calzaghe and Dawson all with a claim to the lightheavyweight throne. Hopkins has been defeated and unless he can rally and force calzaghe to do battle again is now out of the running.

That leaves Calzaghe to face Dawson for the crown.

It's great to have a lineage but what's important is for ALL the important fights to be made and for the best fighters to fight each other.

If Calzaghe retires and doesn't fight Dawson, whilst he's still a legend, and all time great he won't have completed his conquest at 175, he would have withdrawn.

Continuing with my Roman analogy, it's like when Ceaser defeated Vercingetorix and conquered the Gauls (supermidlleweight division) and then decided to invade Britain (lightheavy).

Instead of conquering them, he fought a couple of meaningless skirmish battles, bogged down for the winter and then fucked off.

Now if the history books had reported Julius as ruler of Britain it would have been wrong. He got a couple of minor tribal kings to swear allegiance but he couldn't take the country and so 'retired' undefeated as it were in battle but without adding the British Isles to his resume.

So Calzaghe, the modern day conquerer has a chance to go one better than Julius Ceaser if he can pacify the lightheavyweight division and break a 2000 year old record!

He needs to fight Dawson

Thank fuck for that. I'm not reading the rest you nutter.

You accept they didn't need an alphabet to be recognised as champ. That's all ive been getting at from the start.

Fucking read it! I compared Calzaghe to Julius Ceasar, linked the Hopkins, Calzaghe and Dawson to the first triumvirate and likened Calzaghe's current campaign to Caeser's conquest of Gaul and the subsequently aborted attmept at the conquest of Britain. It was a wonderful imaginative piece and you'll be sorry if you don't read it.