Chad Dawson vs Joe Calzaghe

[Kev]

Nor is Hopkins then.

So they need to beat a WBO, WBC, WBA or IBF holder to be a legit two weight champ?

Silly Bernard and silly Joe. Fancy targeting and beating the no.1 recognised non alphabet holding lightheavy champion

I never said Joe weren't number 1 just not a genuine world champ so in the history books he would only be world champ at Super middleweight in your own word FACT.

Genuine? Genuine what? Alpahbet champ? Behave

What history books? The Ring champ is recognised, no?

If history doesn't recognise Calzaghe they wont Hopkins either. So even though EVERY boxing fan on earth recognises both as two weight champs, history books will say otherwise. That will be fun

It's an interesting point. I'm not nearly familiar enough with boxing history to know what has happened in the past in that regard.

Are there any boxers who became world champs in a weight class without a belt in past history?

I mean in modern times, post war for example?

I'm only aware of major fights in the past and can't think of any that weren't for a belt. I know Manny was superfeatherweight king for a long time with a belt but how will history regard that?

Although I agree the Ring belt is recognised I'm not really prepared to recognise Joe Calzaghe as the universally recognised light heavyweight champ right now. Beating B Hop in a non title fight at 173 and an old Roy Jones doesn't equate to conquering a division imo, and I'm his biggest fan.

In Manny's case it was different as he clearly beat all the best at superfeatherweight, i,e Barrera and Morales who both p4p at the time and so was deservedly the Ring champ when he faced Marquez. AND he DID face Marquez!

Calzaghe has only beat Hopkins who only had one single fight at 175 lbs so he hasn't conquered two weight classes yet.

[Fenster]

I never said Joe weren't number 1 just not a genuine world champ so in the history books he would only be world champ at Super middleweight in your own word FACT.

Genuine? Genuine what? Alpahbet champ? Behave

What history books? The Ring champ is recognised, no?

If history doesn't recognise Calzaghe they wont Hopkins either. So even though EVERY boxing fan on earth recognises both as two weight champs, history books will say otherwise. That will be fun

It's an interesting point. I'm not nearly familiar enough with boxing history to know what has happened in the past in that regard.

Are there any boxers who became world champs in a weight class without a belt in past history?

I mean in modern times, post war for example?

I'm only aware of major fights in the past and can't think of any that weren't for a belt. I know Manny was superfeatherweight king for a long time with a belt but how will history regard that?

Although I agree the Ring belt is recognised I'm not really prepared to recognise Joe Calzaghe as the universally recognised light heavyweight champ right now. Beating B Hop in a non title fight at 173 and an old Roy Jones doesn't equate to conquering a division imo, and I'm his biggest fan.

In Manny's case it was different as he clearly beat all the best at superfeatherweight, i,e Barrera and Morales who both p4p at the time and so was deservedly the Ring champ when he faced Marquez. AND he DID face Marquez!

Calzaghe has only beat Hopkins who only had one single fight at 175 lbs so he hasn't conquered two weight classes yet.

I have no idea. And you wanna know how fucked up this really is.. i'm SURPRISED no-one picked up on it before - the real lineal champ at lightheavy is currently Zsolt Erdei!!!.. on a line through Gonzalez that leads to Dariusz Michalczewski (who chucked the belts, apart from the WBO) then to Virgil Hill from beating Maske who were ranked 1 and 2 by the Ring. BUT the Ring wasn't operating as it currently is and didn't award a belt.....

Britkid!?!?