Another Slight Against Christ

[Fenster]

"Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness' sake,"

How does that upset anyone that believes in a god? You need god to be good?

[CFH]

"Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness' sake,"

How does that upset anyone that believes in a god? You need god to be good?

Of course, as evidenced by the actions of the Christians through out history. They have a lovely record of kindness, acceptance, and understanding, towards all living things.

[Youngblood]

One thing for sure, it is a sin and disrespectful to take the lords name in vain. I mean...try to be a bit more respectful for Christs sake.

[CGM]

I don't let religion guide my life in any way, never have, and I've always celebrated Christmas. I find this campaign really odd. To see a sign like that on a bus is weird. Of course a lot of christians are going to be a little upset over it. It just seems uncool for the Humanists to present their case in this way.

A quote from the leader of this "Humanist" Association...

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Sounds like horseshit to me. What, did he do a survey or something, or did he just imagine it was so to further his cause? Is their anyone here who knows any atheists or agnostics who would like to celebrate Christmas but don't because of its traditional religeous connotations? Not me, that's for sure.

[Youngblood]

Meh, Christmas is awesome. Easily one of my favorite days of the year....being an atheist, and a hypocritical one at that, going to a catholic highschool and all.

I suppose this may bother some hardcore religious fanatics as I likely appreciate it less for the religion, and more for the happiness, gifts and family. But then again, in the spirit of Christ, I like giving gifts...so possible the 'better to give then to receive' is not completely lost on me.

[CFH]

I don't let religion guide my life in any way, never have, and I've always celebrated Christmas. I find this campaign really odd. To see a sign like that on a bus is weird. Of course a lot of christians are going to be a little upset over it. It just seems uncool for the Humanists to present their case in this way.

A quote from the leader of this "Humanist" Association...

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Sounds like horseshit to me. What, did he do a survey or something, or did he just imagine it was so to further his cause? Is their anyone here who knows any atheists or agnostics who would like to celebrate Christmas but don't because of its traditional religeous connotations? Not me, that's for sure.

Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.

[CGM]

I don't let religion guide my life in any way, never have, and I've always celebrated Christmas. I find this campaign really odd. To see a sign like that on a bus is weird. Of course a lot of christians are going to be a little upset over it. It just seems uncool for the Humanists to present their case in this way.

A quote from the leader of this "Humanist" Association...

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Sounds like horseshit to me. What, did he do a survey or something, or did he just imagine it was so to further his cause? Is their anyone here who knows any atheists or agnostics who would like to celebrate Christmas but don't because of its traditional religeous connotations? Not me, that's for sure.

Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.

I'm not sure of your point here. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with what exactly?

[CFH]

I don't let religion guide my life in any way, never have, and I've always celebrated Christmas. I find this campaign really odd. To see a sign like that on a bus is weird. Of course a lot of christians are going to be a little upset over it. It just seems uncool for the Humanists to present their case in this way.

A quote from the leader of this "Humanist" Association...

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Sounds like horseshit to me. What, did he do a survey or something, or did he just imagine it was so to further his cause? Is their anyone here who knows any atheists or agnostics who would like to celebrate Christmas but don't because of its traditional religeous connotations? Not me, that's for sure.

Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.

I'm not sure of your point here. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with what exactly?

It was regarding this quote.

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Tough fucking shit if a religious holiday makes you feel a little alone. It's not even really a religious holiday anymore. No one forces you to view it as such.

[CGM]

Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.

I'm not sure of your point here. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with what exactly?

It was regarding this quote.

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Tough fucking shit if a religious holiday makes you feel a little alone. It's not even really a religious holiday anymore. No one forces you to view it as such.

gotcha. I guess I agree, but not quite so vehemently.

[BoxingGorilla]

And why isn't there a picture of a menorah on that sign?

[killersheep]

I don't let religion guide my life in any way, never have, and I've always celebrated Christmas. I find this campaign really odd. To see a sign like that on a bus is weird. Of course a lot of christians are going to be a little upset over it. It just seems uncool for the Humanists to present their case in this way.

A quote from the leader of this "Humanist" Association...

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Sounds like horseshit to me. What, did he do a survey or something, or did he just imagine it was so to further his cause? Is their anyone here who knows any atheists or agnostics who would like to celebrate Christmas but don't because of its traditional religeous connotations? Not me, that's for sure.

Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.

Isn't christmas derived from Pagan traditions Yule?

[BoxingGorilla]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

[Trainer Monkey]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

Except that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September

[Wayne]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

Honestly, BG, what's the biggest religion in this country by far? It's like the guy who made the documentary, "Supersize Me." It's really an indictment of all fast food restaurants, but he went after the biggest one. It's the same thing here. I wouldn't call that singling out Christianity moreso than going after the one that is the predominant symbol of religion in this country. To include them all might perhaps have diluted the message.

[RozzySean]

I don't let religion guide my life in any way, never have, and I've always celebrated Christmas. I find this campaign really odd. To see a sign like that on a bus is weird. Of course a lot of christians are going to be a little upset over it. It just seems uncool for the Humanists to present their case in this way.

A quote from the leader of this "Humanist" Association...

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Sounds like horseshit to me. What, did he do a survey or something, or did he just imagine it was so to further his cause? Is their anyone here who knows any atheists or agnostics who would like to celebrate Christmas but don't because of its traditional religeous connotations? Not me, that's for sure.

Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.

Isn't christmas derived from Pagan traditions Yule?

Christmas falls in December because of the Roman pagan holiday Saturnalia, which fell in late December. Biblical scholars are fairly certain that Jesus was not born in winter. When Christianity was adopted by the Roman world, many elements of paganism were incorporated. People were willing to buy into the message, but they couldn't let go of many ancient customs and symbols. Other examples include the Easter bunny (a pagan fertility symbol for the spring), the worship of Mary (goddess worship), and the idea of saints (polytheism).

Christianity is largely a hybrid of beliefs of Judaism, Paganism, Zoroastrianism, and Mithrism. Even a Christian religious scholar will tell you this if he's an actual scholar of world religion. A graduate of some backwater bible college might deny it, but I've heard this acknowledged by Catholic bishops and Protestant ministers alike.

If Christians get offended by the suggestion there are other ways to be a good person, or the fact that some people think their believes are nonsense, they need to suck it up and deal, just as non-Christians living in predominantly Christian nations need to deal with being saturated by Christmas for one month out of the year. I spend a beautiful December once in Israel where Christmas is barely a blip on the radar, unless you go to Jerusalem because it's teaming the Christians on pilgrimage. If you are that offended by Christmas, move somewhere else. There are plenty of other place to live that aren't Christian dominated.

If you are living in a Muslim country, are you getting to be offended because you can't get a pork chop for lunch during Ramadan? No, you better deal, because that's the dominant culture.

Christianity is a religion built on trying to convince people to believe something other than what they already believe. If people want to use their right of free speech to convince people that there are other option, they have that right, just as much as Christians have the right to try to covert people. Do the Jehovah's Witness's "offend" me when they come to my house, ring my bell, and try to convince me my beliefs are wrong? No, I just thank them for their time, say no-thank you, and have a chuckle as I wave them goodbye. Same with all those campus groups back in college.

Without prothelitizing Christians, how would you get back from the bars during Spring Break? A little speech about Jesus is well worth a free ride back to hotel to drunkenly fornicate with a little hottie you just met at the bar!!