Another Slight Against Christ

[CGM]

Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.

I'm not sure of your point here. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with what exactly?

It was regarding this quote.

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Tough fucking shit if a religious holiday makes you feel a little alone. It's not even really a religious holiday anymore. No one forces you to view it as such.

gotcha. I guess I agree, but not quite so vehemently.

[CFH]

I'm not sure of your point here. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with what exactly?

It was regarding this quote.

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Tough fucking shit if a religious holiday makes you feel a little alone. It's not even really a religious holiday anymore. No one forces you to view it as such.

gotcha. I guess I agree, but not quite so vehemently.

I'm just bored. I do find much of this stuff ridiculous though, it can be a bit exasperating.

[BoxingGorilla]

And why isn't there a picture of a menorah on that sign?

[killersheep]

I don't let religion guide my life in any way, never have, and I've always celebrated Christmas. I find this campaign really odd. To see a sign like that on a bus is weird. Of course a lot of christians are going to be a little upset over it. It just seems uncool for the Humanists to present their case in this way.

A quote from the leader of this "Humanist" Association...

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Sounds like horseshit to me. What, did he do a survey or something, or did he just imagine it was so to further his cause? Is their anyone here who knows any atheists or agnostics who would like to celebrate Christmas but don't because of its traditional religeous connotations? Not me, that's for sure.

Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.

Isn't christmas derived from Pagan traditions Yule?

[BoxingGorilla]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

[Trainer Monkey]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

Except that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September

[BoxingGorilla]

That's why I said the day Christians "celebrate" his birth.

[Trainer Monkey]

That's why I said the day Christians "celebrate" his birth.

And like I said,non-christians celebrate other things

[BoxingGorilla]

That's why I said the day Christians "celebrate" his birth.

And like I said,non-christians celebrate other things

Educated beyond your intellegence I see.

[Trainer Monkey]

That's why I said the day Christians "celebrate" his birth.

And like I said,non-christians celebrate other things

Educated beyond your intellegence I see.

How did you type that, with your fingers in your ears?

[brucelee]

I must agree that Christmas has a pagan origin but celebrating it does not mean celebrating the pagan traditions. We are simply commemorating the birth of Christ as celebrated by almost all who believe in Christ. Finding the accurate date to celebrate the birth of Christ would be impossible. There's no record as to its exact date. If we celebrate it in September or October(assuming one of them is the correct month), the next question would then be.... What DAY?

Regarding these atheists, if they don't believe in Christ or in God, why would they be celebrating Christmas?

[Trainer Monkey]

I must agree that Christmas has a pagan origin but celebrating it does not mean celebrating the pagan traditions. We are simply commemorating the birth of Christ as celebrated by almost all who believe in Christ. Finding the accurate date to celebrate the birth of Christ would be impossible. There's no record as to its exact date. If we celebrate it in September or October(assuming one of them is the correct month), the next question would then be.... What DAY?

Regarding these atheists, if they don't believe in Christ or in God, why would they be celebrating Christmas?

First off Agnostic, secondly because for one single day of the year, people act like the people they could be,and treat each other with kindness
Maybe their doing it for the sun god, maybe theyre doing it for Kwanza,Maybe theyre doing it for Hannuka maybe their doing it for the heck of it.
But they are doing it that day
Thats something worth celebrating all on its own

[Gandalf]

I must agree that Christmas has a pagan origin but celebrating it does not mean celebrating the pagan traditions. We are simply commemorating the birth of Christ as celebrated by almost all who believe in Christ. Finding the accurate date to celebrate the birth of Christ would be impossible. There's no record as to its exact date. If we celebrate it in September or October(assuming one of them is the correct month), the next question would then be.... What DAY?

Regarding these atheists, if they don't believe in Christ or in God, why would they be celebrating Christmas?

Christmas has no real spiritual meaning for me. Christmas Day is the same as any other day really in Korea. Its different back home because Mum likes to get stressed over cooking the Christmas dinner and there is family and gifts for everyone to share around. But even back home it has never been symbolic of Christ, its just about getting the family together and have a day without bickering and eating well. I would appreciate that more if I was back home, but it certainly wouldnt be a religious thing. Family is all it could be about for me.

And here I am still waffling on, and never getting around to going home.

[Andre]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

Except that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September

Yeah True.

Christ consioussness is the next immediate stage up from us in the state we are now in.
The real man who got crucified his name was Yeshua Ben Joseph. He is the leader of the Christ state of consiusness . Jesus is the name that came from the Greek translation some 300 years after the event.
Greeks cant say Yerh like in the sound that Y makes in the word yes.
So they got as close as they had which was a J.
Thus Jesus the Christed one became Jesus Christ. He was a Picean.
There has been other Christed beings too ,but this one is the King of this way of being.
Yeshuas father Joseph was a craftsman;not a woodcarpenter, A master craftsmen of the Essene order.
His mother; Mary, a temple virgin as all temple virgins were all called Mary .The story got a bit bent ,but that serves a greater purpose too, both for the lost that buy it and the ones who continue to profit from it.

These people who make such adverts as this one the bus are cool they also serve the purpose of humans exploring every avenue possible,its why we are here its what we do here.

The Roman Church messed with so much truth when they took over the Pauline style of Christianity that was overtaking their own religion and rule.The Bastards changed his birth date, moved it to their existing holiday time, Sabbath moved from Saturday to Sunday and worse of all,they placed themselves in between God and humans by making themselves the reciever of confessions and the forgiver of such, for money or favour or pennance if you were broke. They hid from sight the texts that show that God is within and can only be reached that way. They hid the way. They did this so that they as a group intent on business and ruling over the masses could keep control.
The Christian Church has followed suit.

Santa/Satan/ more stuff from out of duality not from the single divine source.

[Wayne]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

Except that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September

You're talking about Mithras, born of a virgin mother some centuries before the "birth" of Christ, correct?