Another Slight Against Christ

[killersheep]

I don't let religion guide my life in any way, never have, and I've always celebrated Christmas. I find this campaign really odd. To see a sign like that on a bus is weird. Of course a lot of christians are going to be a little upset over it. It just seems uncool for the Humanists to present their case in this way.

A quote from the leader of this "Humanist" Association...

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Sounds like horseshit to me. What, did he do a survey or something, or did he just imagine it was so to further his cause? Is their anyone here who knows any atheists or agnostics who would like to celebrate Christmas but don't because of its traditional religeous connotations? Not me, that's for sure.

Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.

Isn't christmas derived from Pagan traditions Yule?

[BoxingGorilla]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

[Trainer Monkey]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

Except that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September

[BoxingGorilla]

That's why I said the day Christians "celebrate" his birth.

[Trainer Monkey]

That's why I said the day Christians "celebrate" his birth.

And like I said,non-christians celebrate other things

[BoxingGorilla]

That's why I said the day Christians "celebrate" his birth.

And like I said,non-christians celebrate other things

Educated beyond your intellegence I see.

[Trainer Monkey]

That's why I said the day Christians "celebrate" his birth.

And like I said,non-christians celebrate other things

Educated beyond your intellegence I see.

How did you type that, with your fingers in your ears?

[Andre]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

Except that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September

Yeah True.

Christ consioussness is the next immediate stage up from us in the state we are now in.
The real man who got crucified his name was Yeshua Ben Joseph. He is the leader of the Christ state of consiusness . Jesus is the name that came from the Greek translation some 300 years after the event.
Greeks cant say Yerh like in the sound that Y makes in the word yes.
So they got as close as they had which was a J.
Thus Jesus the Christed one became Jesus Christ. He was a Picean.
There has been other Christed beings too ,but this one is the King of this way of being.
Yeshuas father Joseph was a craftsman;not a woodcarpenter, A master craftsmen of the Essene order.
His mother; Mary, a temple virgin as all temple virgins were all called Mary .The story got a bit bent ,but that serves a greater purpose too, both for the lost that buy it and the ones who continue to profit from it.

These people who make such adverts as this one the bus are cool they also serve the purpose of humans exploring every avenue possible,its why we are here its what we do here.

The Roman Church messed with so much truth when they took over the Pauline style of Christianity that was overtaking their own religion and rule.The Bastards changed his birth date, moved it to their existing holiday time, Sabbath moved from Saturday to Sunday and worse of all,they placed themselves in between God and humans by making themselves the reciever of confessions and the forgiver of such, for money or favour or pennance if you were broke. They hid from sight the texts that show that God is within and can only be reached that way. They hid the way. They did this so that they as a group intent on business and ruling over the masses could keep control.
The Christian Church has followed suit.

Santa/Satan/ more stuff from out of duality not from the single divine source.

[BoxingGorilla]

Yeshuas father Joseph was a craftsman;not a woodcarpenter, A master craftsmen of the Essene order.
His mother; Mary, a temple virgin as all temple virgins were all called Mary .The story got a bit bent ,but that serves a greater purpose too, both for the lost that buy it and the ones who continue to profit from it.

I decoded your message. Very clever, my man. Very clever.

2.5.9.2.6.16.9 = 5+6+16 = 27 2+7= 9

9 rings of power... 9 ring wraiths...

Bilbo = 2.9.12.2.15 = 9+12+15 = 36 3+6 = 9

A cat has nine lives

SIN HATE EVIL LAVA CINCI = Bengals. Cat. Bilbo. 9...

[CGM]

Yeshuas father Joseph was a craftsman;not a woodcarpenter, A master craftsmen of the Essene order.
His mother; Mary, a temple virgin as all temple virgins were all called Mary .The story got a bit bent ,but that serves a greater purpose too, both for the lost that buy it and the ones who continue to profit from it.

I decoded your message. Very clever, my man. Very clever.

2.5.9.2.6.16.9 = 5+6+16 = 27 2+7= 9

9 rings of power... 9 ring wraiths...

Bilbo = 2.9.12.2.15 = 9+12+15 = 36 3+6 = 9

A cat has nine lives

SIN HATE EVIL LAVA CINCI = Bengals. Cat. Bilbo. 9...

So you get three 9's. And you know what happens when you turn those 9s upside down, don't you?

[Andre]

Yeshuas father Joseph was a craftsman;not a woodcarpenter, A master craftsmen of the Essene order.
His mother; Mary, a temple virgin as all temple virgins were all called Mary .The story got a bit bent ,but that serves a greater purpose too, both for the lost that buy it and the ones who continue to profit from it.

I decoded your message. Very clever, my man. Very clever.

2.5.9.2.6.16.9 = 5+6+16 = 27 2+7= 9

9 rings of power... 9 ring wraiths...

Bilbo = 2.9.12.2.15 = 9+12+15 = 36 3+6 = 9

A cat has nine lives

SIN HATE EVIL LAVA CINCI = Bengals. Cat. Bilbo. 9...

So you get three 9's. And you know what happens when you turn those 9s upside down, don't you?

Excellent stuff .

Dark Lord AL will be following along soon to clear up any loose ends
Wha ha ha ha ha.

[Wayne]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

Except that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September

You're talking about Mithras, born of a virgin mother some centuries before the "birth" of Christ, correct?

[Trainer Monkey]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

Except that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September

You're talking about Mithras, born of a virgin mother some centuries before the "birth" of Christ, correct?

Actually Mithras himself wasnt the Sun God but was assisted by the sun god.
Early Christianity didnt celebrate the birthdays of any gods (and you can argue still dont considering they still have the date wrong) it was common in paganism of all sorts

[Wayne]

Christ's Mass = Christmas

It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.


It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.

Honestly, BG, what's the biggest religion in this country by far? It's like the guy who made the documentary, "Supersize Me." It's really an indictment of all fast food restaurants, but he went after the biggest one. It's the same thing here. I wouldn't call that singling out Christianity moreso than going after the one that is the predominant symbol of religion in this country. To include them all might perhaps have diluted the message.

[RozzySean]

I don't let religion guide my life in any way, never have, and I've always celebrated Christmas. I find this campaign really odd. To see a sign like that on a bus is weird. Of course a lot of christians are going to be a little upset over it. It just seems uncool for the Humanists to present their case in this way.

A quote from the leader of this "Humanist" Association...

"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."

Sounds like horseshit to me. What, did he do a survey or something, or did he just imagine it was so to further his cause? Is their anyone here who knows any atheists or agnostics who would like to celebrate Christmas but don't because of its traditional religeous connotations? Not me, that's for sure.

Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.

Isn't christmas derived from Pagan traditions Yule?

Christmas falls in December because of the Roman pagan holiday Saturnalia, which fell in late December. Biblical scholars are fairly certain that Jesus was not born in winter. When Christianity was adopted by the Roman world, many elements of paganism were incorporated. People were willing to buy into the message, but they couldn't let go of many ancient customs and symbols. Other examples include the Easter bunny (a pagan fertility symbol for the spring), the worship of Mary (goddess worship), and the idea of saints (polytheism).

Christianity is largely a hybrid of beliefs of Judaism, Paganism, Zoroastrianism, and Mithrism. Even a Christian religious scholar will tell you this if he's an actual scholar of world religion. A graduate of some backwater bible college might deny it, but I've heard this acknowledged by Catholic bishops and Protestant ministers alike.

If Christians get offended by the suggestion there are other ways to be a good person, or the fact that some people think their believes are nonsense, they need to suck it up and deal, just as non-Christians living in predominantly Christian nations need to deal with being saturated by Christmas for one month out of the year. I spend a beautiful December once in Israel where Christmas is barely a blip on the radar, unless you go to Jerusalem because it's teaming the Christians on pilgrimage. If you are that offended by Christmas, move somewhere else. There are plenty of other place to live that aren't Christian dominated.

If you are living in a Muslim country, are you getting to be offended because you can't get a pork chop for lunch during Ramadan? No, you better deal, because that's the dominant culture.

Christianity is a religion built on trying to convince people to believe something other than what they already believe. If people want to use their right of free speech to convince people that there are other option, they have that right, just as much as Christians have the right to try to covert people. Do the Jehovah's Witness's "offend" me when they come to my house, ring my bell, and try to convince me my beliefs are wrong? No, I just thank them for their time, say no-thank you, and have a chuckle as I wave them goodbye. Same with all those campus groups back in college.

Without prothelitizing Christians, how would you get back from the bars during Spring Break? A little speech about Jesus is well worth a free ride back to hotel to drunkenly fornicate with a little hottie you just met at the bar!!