Another Slight Against Christ

[RozzySean]

Honestly I don't care enough, it seems that there is a huge percentage of people who will just jump on anything that attempts to criticise or disprove the Bible in some way. If it says something negative then these people will immediately accept and embrace it as fact just so they can feel that the Bible has been debunked and their mission is acomplished.

That's probably the lamest anti Christian video I've seen so far though, I mean not one shred of it had any basis in reality or historical fact.

If you are interested though Andre you should check it out for yourself as it's laughable how absurd those claims were, I mean seriously presenting as historical fact the poems and writings of a modern day pagan druid who taught himself to decipher the hieroglyphics of ancient Egypt

There's not a single Egyptologist or ancient historian who has ever taken any of Massey's claims seriously in the 100 years or so since he made them but a few crackpots in the internet age have latched onto them and tried to make them into something.

They make Graham Hancock look like a serious researcher.

Ive not heard of him before yesterday.fitted the thread well though.

Found some more stuff in a forum too but even more way out.

I think the Greek story is for real though isn't it?
I have heard before though from a few different people that the same story line is from another previous time in Greek mythology is that right?
Is there a site around that attacks Masseys stuff with facts i'd be interested for sure.
i only found old stuff on the guyafter you mentioned him nothing new really.

Probably not a site devoted to attacking him as he's simply not taken seriously by by any branch of academia and hasn't been in the 100 or years since he published his first book.

It's like asking if there are any sites that disprove the claims of David Icke!

As for whether there are other virgin births in the myth's of other civilisations, the answer is not really.

There are many legends of gods or heroic deities who had miraculous births but there wern't virgin births. The video says for example that mithras was born of a virgin. That is completely untrue, it was Joseph Campbell who likened the birth of Mithras to the birth of Christ. However it's stretching the story to ridiculous lengths. Mithras was created out of solid rock, hewn and born as an adult so technically you could say he was born of a virgin as he didn't have a father but it's really stretching things to say that those two forms of birth are evenly remotely similar.

People in this day and age also have no understanding of the culture of ancient Israel and assume that people could just make up anything and people would believe it.

To have a child outside of wedlock in ancient Israel was a mortal sin, punishable by death. The parent's of the women who got pregnant would usually be shunned as they had failed to protect their daughter's innocence and there would have been a tremendous social stigma attached to any child born a bastard.

Therefore to claim that Mary was an unmarried mother of Jesus was a tremendously risky thing for the Gospel writers to do, as it exposed the whole religion of Christianity to ridicule and contempt.

To have a bastard as your 'saviour' would have been considered a laughable and disgusting thing, and exposed his followers to mockery, ridicule and worse.

To then compound that by claiming that he was a born of a virgin was to invite both the Jewish and Hellenistic worlds to literally rain down scorn, laughter, mockery and humiliation.

It was as absurd a claim then as it was now, but even more so becuase of the stigma associated with unmarried mothers. The idea that God's own Son would be born a bastard would have been abhorrent to the Jews of the first century AD.

So the idea that the early Christians just looked around and found some other mythical figure and decided to copy and paste his birth details is just ridiculous.

I can't remember the other names mentioned on the video, I may have another watch later, but there is no evidence whatsoever, supported by any credible historians, arhaeologists or theologians that suggests that Christianity got all of it's ideas from Pagan sources.

The greatest influence on Christianity, obviously was Judaism.

All of the details of Jesus' birth, life, mission, major life events, death and resurrection are to be found within the pages of the Old Testament.

In fact the entire Old Testament was a foreshadowing of God's redemptive plan of salvation through Christ, from Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son Isaac right through to the prophectic words of Isiah.

If you want to know where the Gospel writers got the idea for a virgin birth then look to the Old Testament and Isiah 7:14 'Behold, 'A Virgin shall shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us'

We know from the Dead Sea Scrolls that Isiah was both already written and widespread use long before the brith of Christ.

In fact the Gospel writers are at pains to point out where Jesus fufilled all the Old Testament prophecies.

The Bible, if actually read, is an extraordiary book and anyone who reads it from start to finish will have literally dozens of 'Oh my fucking God I can't believe that you HAVE to be shitting me!' type moments.

It's absolutely amazing, all of the prophecies in the Old Testament that explicitly detail Christ's birth, life and mission, the history of nations and empires, the immensely detailed history and future prediticions regarding Isreal, God' own special people and prophecies regarding our own times and that are being fufilled as we speak.

There will always be those who just don't want to believe and so will unquestionally and immediately latch on to anything that discredits it.

As the apostle Paul warned (2 Tim. 4:3) The time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear'.

Isiah 7:14 is a direct and intentional mistranslation from the original Hebrew. In the original Hebrew, it reads, "Behold a young woman will come with child..." There is different word in Hebrew for young woman and virgin. In Hebrew, the verse reads "young woman." Fact.

Jesus actually fulfills ZERO prophecies about what the real Messiah is supposed to do. That's why most Jews in Israel wouldn't buy into the idea that he was the Messiah. Paul took the writings of the prophets, twisted them around, and sold it to non-Jews who didn't know any better. Learn Hebrew and read the originals and it will be much clearer to you.

Paul invented Christianity. Not Jesus. Jesus was a pretty cool dude. He was the worlds first "Reform" Jew and his message is revolutionary and powerful. He was a great teacher and Rabbi. It's really too bad Paul and Augustine screwed up his real message.