Another Slight Against Christ

[Kev]

Isiah 7:14 is a direct and intentional mistranslation from the original Hebrew. In the original Hebrew, it reads, "Behold a young woman will come with child..." There is different word in Hebrew for young woman and virgin. In Hebrew, the verse reads "young woman." Fact.

Jesus actually fulfills ZERO prophecies about what the real Messiah is supposed to do. That's why most Jews in Israel wouldn't buy into the idea that he was the Messiah. Paul took the writings of the prophets, twisted them around, and sold it to non-Jews who didn't know any better. Learn Hebrew and read the originals and it will be much clearer to you.

Paul invented Christianity. Not Jesus. Jesus was a pretty cool dude. He was the worlds first "Reform" Jew and his message is revolutionary and powerful. He was a great teacher and Rabbi. It's really too bad Paul and Augustine screwed up his real message.

This really is typical of the bizarre logic of those who try and discredit Christianity.

They see Christ and his mission in every pagan religion and the myths of every ancient civilisation and say that Christianity just stole the ideas from them, yet when it's showed that all of Jesus' mission was blatently prophecised in the Old Testament they say that in every case it meant something else.

We see the same thing in science, we are told the idea of a global flood on a planet 75 percent covered with water is nonsense, and yet now scientists account for the strange canal like features on Mars as being the result of global flooding of the whole planet, and this a planet with no liquid water at all?

If you want to split hairs over this, as I did study this at university, the word 'almah' actually comes from the root word 'alam' which means to 'cover, conceal, protected.' Thus it is clearly a picture of a young, inexperienced and hence virgin girl. The same word is used in Genesis when talking about Rebekah being the young woman drawing water from the well. It is made clear she is explicity clear in that instance that they are referring to a virgin girl.

And your whole argument is redundant anyhow as the Greek Septuagint, the earliest translation of the Hebrew Bible in existence, written at least 200 years before the birth of Christ translates the word 'almah' as virgin clearly and unequivecly attesting to the fact that that was how the word was to be taken.

That's absolute nonsense that emphasis of the world "almah" is the virginity status of a young woman. It may be somewhat implicit, but drawing that out as the primary meaning is not true to the intent of the word and the verse does not "clearly and unequivecly" attest to a virgin birth. The world means young woman of marriage age, or young woman who is fit for marriage. That's pure prooftexting. So what if the mistranslation happened for Hebrew/Aramaic to Greek instead of Hebrew to English.

Here's a little read on what the messiah really is:

Judaism 101: Moshiach: The Messiah

I could like you to other sites, but I'll you can find them on your own if you are interested different perspectives.

Sean if your Jewish mate I really don't want to have a debate with you about it. You have your faith and I respect that, I have my own beliefs and they differ but it's all good.

[brucelee]

I'm really impressed with your knowledge of the Bible Bilbo.

[Kev]

I'm really impressed with your knowledge of the Bible Bilbo.

Well to be honest it just makes me all the more guilty when I download my favourite dogging and teeny bukkake dvd's.

[brucelee]

I'm really impressed with your knowledge of the Bible Bilbo.

Well to be honest it just makes me all the more guilty when I download my favourite dogging and teeny bukkake dvd's.

at least you feel guilty. I'm starting to believe that I was here to guide you Bilbs.

the LUST OF THE FLESH IS STRONG IN YOU. Hope I could convince you to stay away from porno materials.

[Kev]

I'm really impressed with your knowledge of the Bible Bilbo.

Well to be honest it just makes me all the more guilty when I download my favourite dogging and teeny bukkake dvd's.

at least you feel guilty. I'm starting to believe that I was here to guide you Bilbs.

the LUST OF THE FLESH IS STRONG IN YOU. Hope I could convince you to stay away from porno materials.

You really don't want to try Bruce, all that would happen is I would end up sending you links.

[brucelee]

Well to be honest it just makes me all the more guilty when I download my favourite dogging and teeny bukkake dvd's.

at least you feel guilty. I'm starting to believe that I was here to guide you Bilbs.

the LUST OF THE FLESH IS STRONG IN YOU. Hope I could convince you to stay away from porno materials.

You really don't want to try Bruce, all that would happen is I would end up sending you links.

LMAO. I'm well protected with websites having popups. Don't you just hate those porn sites with all their popups? Not to mention the viruses they can give you. Visiting those sites is like getting STDs.

Anyway, if you really can't fight the temptation I can send you some scripts that will automatically shutdown your computer when you open porn sites.

[pacfan]

I believe this world is still a battleground between the good and the evil, I mean the good (God) and evil (the beast) within. They say we are still half God and half beast, and both of them are fighting within ourselves, and we are struggling with it. I believe eventually, God will win the war because that is the how we were made and meant to be, and humans will eventually be a perfect being, perhaps thousands of years from now.

Since we are talking about taking a slight against Christ, I'd just like to point out that doing so even against any religion or religious figure is a step backward for the doer. When you attack some religion or religious figure, do you feel good? If not, it just means you're taking backward steps away from that way to perfection I've mentioned above, and drawing negative energy into yourself - that's why you don't feel good. This is a form of 'you reap what you sow' thing. Besides, people should just be presenting their own doctrines or belief in a positive way rather than wasting their souls and energy attacking others' beliefs, which is a negative way, simply because it stirs up negative energy in you that will pull you down. A way to perfection is always positive - you should never feel bad towards anyone or anything. This is the way that will eventually lead you to perfection.

[pacfan]

That basis for morality always leads to complete shitness and the eventual collapse of every civilisation that has gone before us.

The Western world is now just going the way of Ancient Rome, it won't last much longer.

I agree to that to some extent. IMO the western civilization has been treading the way of decadence over the past years by letting money and materialism rule over their lives, coupled with unbriddled freedom to do and say what they please. Their frenzied chase for profits and material wealth has made them forget the most important part of their lives - their hearts, from where all spiritual advancement comes. And at the more subtle level, they've lost the meaning of the word 'respect'. The crisis we're seeing now is the direct result of that folly. But IMO, some good will probably come out of this crisis, which I believe is just a part of the 'cleansing process' that the world must undergo ocassionally to purify itself from spiritual decay. It is a time for reflection, for soul-searching to see where they have gone astray...

I'm really impressed with your knowledge of the Bible Bilbo.

Well to be honest it just makes me all the more guilty when I download my favourite dogging and teeny bukkake dvd's.

That's not a sin...

...as long as you don't pay for them...