Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[bambamdaddio]

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.

Exactly thats what I said .. he would still lose but you would see a better Hatton thats all I was saying & he is more sluggish at Welter both mentally & physically...

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The only thing Ricky Hatton could beat Floyd Mayweather at is a drinking contest.

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OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.

Exactly thats what I said .. he would still lose but you would see a better Hatton thats all I was saying & he is more sluggish at Welter both mentally & physically...

no, you said Mayweather would have a tougher time of it at JWW. And I implied no he wouldn't, because he (Mayweather) is also sharper at JWW. I'm not disagreeing that Hatton is sharper at JWW, I'm just saying so is Mayweather, things cancel out. No big deal though.

[Pugilistic]

Hatton belongs at 140 because thats where he is natually stronger than most of his opponents and being stronger is a big part of his game because he likes to swarm, hold, hit.

At 147 that part of his game isn't as effective because the guys are bigger and stronger their as it showed with Collazo and Mayweather.

To me though that isn't an excuse to why he lost to Mayweather.

I feel even at 140 Mayweather would put on a very similar performance because he is simply the bigger, smarter, better boxer.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I havent read any of the replies to this thread so i appologise if this has been said already...

I know opposing fighters weights can vary greatly from weigh-in to fight night but the weight itself could not of been an issue here as Both guys must of been weighing the same that night.

Maybe it was a case of Floyd being bigger than Ricky thought. It is apparent that Floyds frame had grown over the years and the mistake could have been made that although Ricky was moving up in weight, he assumed he was facing a naturally smaller man.

I personally dont like to call Floyd a naturally smaller man. Its akin to me saying Ricky Hatton is a natural Middleweight becuase he consumes copious amounts of pies and guiness in between fights

Floyd was, at one point, STARVING himself to malke 130. Fact.

If both guys kept in resonable shape im sure there'd only be a half-stone differential in weight.

Never the less, Knowledge is power....
I believe the real issue is that Floyd had some key experience prior to Hatton in beating Baldomir and Dela Hoya, who were so much bigger in the ring than Hatton.

Dela Hoya Specifically because not only was he bigger but he was, beleive it or not, the 1st guy in a championship fight (maybe any fight) to have a bigger reach than Floyd.

Also Floyd had the knowledge of Hatton's last visit up at WW

Hatton would of stod a much bigger chance of winning IF the fight was made at 140 ONLY when Floyd was campainging at that weight. Floyd wouldn't of been so comfortable and Hattons pressure would of been more telling but Floyd would probably still come through just like he did with Castillo (albeit over 24 rounds)

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I remember Kerry Kayes saying before the fight when asked how Floyd has managed to gup in weight and stay lean and strong, he said that Floyd was probably starving himself, whereas Ricky does the weight quite easy, also Ricky started out boxing in a weight lifters gym so probably had a head start on the muscle growth, hes probably at his bodys best weight for boxing, whereas Floyd probably never got in to weights until much later and his body has now reached its best potential.

Rickys problem was arrogance, he looked at Floyd and saw a smaller fighter, he fought like he was the stranger man, he didnt try and box and rushed in to get countered, I see him being more effective in a rematch but I think hed still get caught too often and probably stopped.

[sonny78]

I remember Kerry Kayes saying before the fight when asked how Floyd has managed to gup in weight and stay lean and strong, he said that Floyd was probably starving himself, whereas Ricky does the weight quite easy, also Ricky started out boxing in a weight lifters gym so probably had a head start on the muscle growth, hes probably at his bodys best weight for boxing, whereas Floyd probably never got in to weights until much later and his body has now reached its best potential.

Rickys problem was arrogance, he looked at Floyd and saw a smaller fighter, he fought like he was the stranger man, he didnt try and box and rushed in to get countered, I see him being more effective in a rematch but I think hed still get caught too often and probably stopped.

I spoke to Ricky soon after the Floyd fight and he told me that when he saw Floyd at the weigh in he couldn't believe how big he was it may have been to late to change tactics but walking in to the ring he knew he was in with a bigger man

[Beanflicker]

Rickys problem was arrogance, he looked at Floyd and saw a smaller fighter, he fought like he was the stranger man, he didnt try and box and rushed in to get countered, I see him being more effective in a rematch but I think hed still get caught too often and probably stopped.

I think trying to box Mayweather would have been idiotic on his part given Floyd's huge advantage in boxing skill, speed and reach.

Ricky fought the right fight, he just fought a guy who had an answer to every question Ricky asked of him.

I gained a lot of respect for Ricky in this fight because I thought Floyd would completely dominate him, but Ricky made it fairly compeditive and made Floyd very uneasy at times, which not a lot of people do.

[bambamdaddio]

Rickys problem was arrogance, he looked at Floyd and saw a smaller fighter, he fought like he was the stranger man, he didnt try and box and rushed in to get countered, I see him being more effective in a rematch but I think hed still get caught too often and probably stopped.

I think trying to box Mayweather would have been idiotic on his part given Floyd's huge advantage in boxing skill, speed and reach.

Ricky fought the right fight, he just fought a guy who had an answer to every question Ricky asked of him.

I gained a lot of respect for Ricky in this fight because I thought Floyd would completely dominate him, but Ricky made it fairly compeditive and made Floyd very uneasy at times, which not a lot of people do.

Yet to me it was one sided really .. partly because of Cortez tho..

[Beanflicker]

Well Cortez was just enforcing the rules, if you have a reputation for doing something then the refs can only be expected tto watch out for it.

But on the subject of Cortez, after rewatching the fight a few days ago, I noticed Ricky was landing a lot of shots to the back of Floyd's head that weren't called, so I don't think it was biased reffing.

[bambamdaddio]

Well Cortez was just enforcing the rules, if you have a reputation for doing something then the refs can only be expected tto watch out for it.

But on the subject of Cortez, after rewatching the fight a few days ago, I noticed Ricky was landing a lot of shots to the back of Floyd's head that weren't called, so I don't think it was biased reffing.

Enforcing the rules .... what like he did re Calzaghe Hopkins, working on that basis then Hopkins shoulda been disqualified then shouldnt he..

Sorry I digress ..

[bambamdaddio]

I havent read any of the replies to this thread so i appologise if this has been said already...

I know opposing fighters weights can vary greatly from weigh-in to fight night but the weight itself could not of been an issue here as Both guys must of been weighing the same that night.

Maybe it was a case of Floyd being bigger than Ricky thought. It is apparent that Floyds frame had grown over the years and the mistake could have been made that although Ricky was moving up in weight, he assumed he was facing a naturally smaller man.

I personally dont like to call Floyd a naturally smaller man. Its akin to me saying Ricky Hatton is a natural Middleweight becuase he consumes copious amounts of pies and guiness in between fights

Floyd was, at one point, STARVING himself to malke 130. Fact.

If both guys kept in resonable shape im sure there'd only be a half-stone differential in weight.

Never the less, Knowledge is power....
I believe the real issue is that Floyd had some key experience prior to Hatton in beating Baldomir and Dela Hoya, who were so much bigger in the ring than Hatton.

Dela Hoya Specifically because not only was he bigger but he was, beleive it or not, the 1st guy in a championship fight (maybe any fight) to have a bigger reach than Floyd.

Also Floyd had the knowledge of Hatton's last visit up at WW

Hatton would of stod a much bigger chance of winning IF the fight was made at 140 ONLY when Floyd was campainging at that weight. Floyd wouldn't of been so comfortable and Hattons pressure would of been more telling but Floyd would probably still come through just like he did with Castillo (albeit over 24 rounds)

Godd posting bud !!!

[ono]

Ok i'll have a go.....

Let's get this out of the way first.....Hatton wouldn't beat Mayweather at any weight. And this might not apply directly to Hatton-Mayweather but....


Sometimes a fighter who starts off at a much lower weight can actually be malnutritioned. Not in the sense that millions of people are in third world countries....just in a boxing sense.

The amount of carbohydrates required to enable you to go through a training camp for a period of 10-12 weeks is extortionate. Now if a fighter is training for 3 hours a day and not consuming enough carbohydrates, he will lose a lot of muscle mass......or he will not develop much...if any muscle mass if he is very light to begin with. It could be that Mayweather never previously gave himself the chance to fill out at a more natural weight....because he was under-eating and comfortable at his existing weight. This is something that does happen to fighters....especially those who are very conscious about making weight.

What this fighter will find is, that when he comes to moving up in weight, he finds the transition really easy as an increase in carbohydrate and protein allows him to easily add muscle mass.

Now the advantage this fighter will now possess at is new found weight, will likely be core strength.....especially over a fighter who is definitely fighting above his natural weight. An example of this would be at how Mayweather was stronger than Hatton on the inside.

Now people are going to say that Hatton's natural weight is well over 147. That's correct but how much of that is lean mass? Hardly any. It's practically all fat. So he'll have no advantage.

Anybody remember how much bigger Mayweather looked at the weigh in?

Anyway this theory might not have applied to this fight....because we don't know the ins and outs of Mayweather's training camp/diet etc...

Anyway it comes down to core strength, and just because a fighter was successful at a much lower weight, it doesn't necessarily mean that was his natural weight.

Like i say, may not have been the case with Floyd Mayweather. I'm pretty sure it's the case with Manny though. Maybe we'll see on dec 6th.