Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[bambamdaddio]

lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.

PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.

How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.

If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.

Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...

Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less

So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..

[bambamdaddio]

And before the fight here gets personall
Why I can see it
Ricky is notorious for blowing off training and diet,knowing he had to get down in weight, might force some discipline on him wether he liked it or not.
Would that have made a difference against Floyd? Who knows. But it probably have been better for him then letting him slack his way up in weight.

HALLAYLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLYA ..MY WHOLE POINT ....THANX BUD FOR UNDERSTANDING ME...

[CFH]

If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...

Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.

If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.

Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...

Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less

So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..

If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.

I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.

[Trainer Monkey]

Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.

If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.

Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...

Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less

So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..

If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.

I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.

There's more money at the higher weights
Plain and simple

[CFH]

Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...

Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less

So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..

If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.

I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.

There's more money at the higher weights
Plain and simple

uhhh, what?

I'm well aware of the reasons behind PBF's moving up in weight, but that has nothing to do with what I just wrote.

[bambamdaddio]

Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.

If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.

Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...

Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less

So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..

If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.

I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.

Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight

Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...

I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..

[Trainer Monkey]

If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.

I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.

There's more money at the higher weights
Plain and simple

uhhh, what?

I'm well aware of the reasons behind PBF's moving up in weight, but that has nothing to do with what I just wrote.

You asked why they moved up in weight,even if it wasnt in Hattons best interests
I answered, fights at higher weights do better money,if it had happened at a lower weight,it wouldnt have done as much book

[CFH]

Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...

Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less

So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..

If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.

I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.

Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight

Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...

I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

[CFH]

There's more money at the higher weights
Plain and simple

uhhh, what?

I'm well aware of the reasons behind PBF's moving up in weight, but that has nothing to do with what I just wrote.

You asked why they moved up in weight,even if it wasnt in Hattons best interests
I answered, fights at higher weights do better money,if it had happened at a lower weight,it wouldnt have done as much book

You're misunderstanding what I said, I never asked why the fight took place at 147.

Regardless, the PBF-Hatton fight would have made just as much money and aroused just as much interest at 140 anyways, but that's a digresson.

[bambamdaddio]

If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.

I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.

Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight

Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...

I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

I apologise if I didnt make a valid point to you but TrainerMonkey understands me so to me the point was worth making...

You dont agree I accept that ...& ill stop harpin on now too

[Trainer Monkey]

If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.

I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.

Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight

Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...

I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

He made a totally valid point bro,Ricky is one of the most notorious undertrainers in the entire business.
It probably goes similar,but Hatton makes it a way better fight then it was,if he had come in in better shape.
Hatton's a great fighter,but he gives anybody whose stuck training him ulcers because of his lack of discipline
If he had had to make a lower weight,he might have trained harder and made a better go of it.
Floyd still probably beats him,but it wouldnt have been as one sided as it was

[CFH]

Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight

Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...

I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

He made a totally valid point bro,Ricky is one of the most notorious undertrainers in the entire business.
It probably goes similar,but Hatton makes it a way better fight then it was,if he had come in in better shape.
Hatton's a great fighter,but he gives anybody whose stuck training him ulcers because of his lack of discipline
If he had had to make a lower weight,he might have trained harder and made a better go of it.
Floyd still probably beats him,but it wouldnt have been as one sided as it was

Since when has Hatton been known as a "notorious undertrainer"? I've never heard anyone credible make that claim.

He has a reputation for training like a demon, the knock on him is that he balloons up in weight between fights, but has always been renowned for his conditioning.

If he was such a undedicated subject, how does he manage to drop from 170-180 lbs to 140 in time for his fights?

[bambamdaddio]

Bang on from ya TrainerMonkey thats all Im saying..

[killersheep]

Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight

Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...

I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

He made a totally valid point bro,Ricky is one of the most notorious undertrainers in the entire business.
It probably goes similar,but Hatton makes it a way better fight then it was,if he had come in in better shape.
Hatton's a great fighter,but he gives anybody whose stuck training him ulcers because of his lack of discipline
If he had had to make a lower weight,he might have trained harder and made a better go of it.
Floyd still probably beats him,but it wouldnt have been as one sided as it was

I'm pretty sure I remember the Hatton camp saying Ricky was training the hardest he ever had for the Mayweather fight. Mayweather is a gym rat, he is ALWAYS training, nobody trains harder than PBF fight coming up or not he is always in peak shape. Hatton getting into shape for 140 would require him to do extra cardio and wath his diet more, I don't see how either of those things would give him the extra skills to have anymore success against PBF than he did at 147.

[Trainer Monkey]

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

He made a totally valid point bro,Ricky is one of the most notorious undertrainers in the entire business.
It probably goes similar,but Hatton makes it a way better fight then it was,if he had come in in better shape.
Hatton's a great fighter,but he gives anybody whose stuck training him ulcers because of his lack of discipline
If he had had to make a lower weight,he might have trained harder and made a better go of it.
Floyd still probably beats him,but it wouldnt have been as one sided as it was

Since when has Hatton been known as a "notorious undertrainers"? I've never heard anyone credible make that claim.

He has a reputation for training like a demon, the knock on him is that he balloons up in weight between fights, but has always been renowned for his conditioning.

If he was such a undedicated subject, how does he manage to drop from 170-180 lbs to 140 in time for his fights?

He's also notorious for Sauna Suiting
Its going to catch him eventually,you could make a case that it caught him against Mayweather,but I think he still loses that fight