People Are Idiots

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I think the big thing about this was that the kid shot not one person, but two people. Even though he didn't plan it out, there's obviously a serious screw loose whereby he would turn the gun on someone and fire AFTER HE ALREADY shot someone else. He definately should not be tried as an adult because he is too young and his mind is still developing, but nonetheless, you don't just throw this kid in juve for a few years. His being only eight doesn't change the fact that he is quite possibly ill (yes, children can be crazy too). This kid needs tons of psychological help.

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An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

[Trainer Monkey]

An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

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An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

[Trainer Monkey]

An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.

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But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.

Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Trainer Monkey]

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.

Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.

But even then,we get in to an area of parental responsibility. like or not, your child is your responsibility.
If you handed me a newborn,I could turn it in to Hitler probably,am I any less culpable for the childs actions.
I know if my kid burns down the neighbors house on purpose, I know whose pocketbook their coming for,and it isnt the kids