People Are Idiots

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An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

[Trainer Monkey]

An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.

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But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.

Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Trainer Monkey]

I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.

Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.

But even then,we get in to an area of parental responsibility. like or not, your child is your responsibility.
If you handed me a newborn,I could turn it in to Hitler probably,am I any less culpable for the childs actions.
I know if my kid burns down the neighbors house on purpose, I know whose pocketbook their coming for,and it isnt the kids

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I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.

Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.

But even then,we get in to an area of parental responsibility. like or not, your child is your responsibility.
If you handed me a newborn,I could turn it in to Hitler probably,am I any less culpable for the childs actions.
I know if my kid burns down the neighbors house on purpose, I know whose pocketbook their coming for,and it isnt the kids

OK, if we are talking about whether or not the kid is fully responsible, that's a little different. I would tend to agree with you about responsibility of parents, though it might not be criminal responsibility.

Like you, I would probably be opposed to trying the kid as an adult. But at the very least, some sort of custodial arrangement, or extremely strict supervision, is required in this situation.

[Trainer Monkey]

Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.

But even then,we get in to an area of parental responsibility. like or not, your child is your responsibility.
If you handed me a newborn,I could turn it in to Hitler probably,am I any less culpable for the childs actions.
I know if my kid burns down the neighbors house on purpose, I know whose pocketbook their coming for,and it isnt the kids

OK, if we are talking about whether or not the kid is fully responsible, that's a little different. I would tend to agree with you about responsibility of parents, though it might not be criminal responsibility.

Like you, I would probably be opposed to trying the kid as an adult. But at the very least, some sort of custodial arrangement, or extremely strict supervision, is required in this situation.

Oh no,that Im fine with,just to figure out what made the kid act and react in such a manner,so he could be re-habbed in to a productive adult. But going for Murder 1 on an 8 year old is ridiculous

[Julius Rain]

But even then,we get in to an area of parental responsibility. like or not, your child is your responsibility.
If you handed me a newborn,I could turn it in to Hitler probably,am I any less culpable for the childs actions.
I know if my kid burns down the neighbors house on purpose, I know whose pocketbook their coming for,and it isnt the kids

OK, if we are talking about whether or not the kid is fully responsible, that's a little different. I would tend to agree with you about responsibility of parents, though it might not be criminal responsibility.

Like you, I would probably be opposed to trying the kid as an adult. But at the very least, some sort of custodial arrangement, or extremely strict supervision, is required in this situation.

Oh no,that Im fine with,just to figure out what made the kid act and react in such a manner,so he could be re-habbed in to a productive adult. But going for Murder 1 on an 8 year old is ridiculous

this is a sad situation, just thinking about the kid having to be in juvy for 10 years til his 18. None of us know the kid but all we know is that he is a kid. speechless now....