Boxing Forums



User Tag List

Thanks Thanks:  0
Likes Likes:  0
Dislikes Dislikes:  0
Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 31 to 45 of 45

Thread: People Are Idiots

Share/Bookmark
  1. #31
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    2,910
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2811
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.

  2. #32
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    7,899
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    0
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by Youngblood View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Youngblood View Post
    Like Im going to pull my gun on anyone,I dont even fire the thing. Like I said,which has been roundly ignored,its double trigger locked and in my storage room. Its only a tool for wildlife managment. Stop trying to paint me like Im an NRA member,because I hate the NRA with a passion. I said before,Im all for reasonable gun control.
    The original point was "Why even have a gun"
    Well I responded there are legitimate reasons to own a firearm. Now suddenly Im the NRA member.
    Not bloody likely. I own one gun, and for one reason.
    The only animals Ive even killed in the last ten years, was two worriesome raccoons,and that was with a bow.
    Sorry,your both barking up the wrong tree,Im not a gun nut,and I dont hunt,and even though legally I could have one,I dont own a pistol.
    \
    Well I didn't call you anything. Could care less what you position is on guns. I just like talking about bears, becuz I personally know a bit about them...
    So do I
    Last I checked,its my states official animal.
    If you catch them in the wild,they run for it,we get whats called down here,"town bears",they on the other hand get dangerous, and have been known to attack. Everybody down here knows if your chased by a bear,corner,they dont corner worth a crap.
    It isnt like Im thrilled with owning a gun, but town bears can get dangerous, mainly because theyve stopped fearing people. So the gun becomes one of those things you keep around the house hoping it never comes up that you have to use it.
    As far as the Coons,we tried relocating them, they came back,and got even more agressive,having pets and the kid,I really didnt have a choice in the matter. Sorry,Im not having my kid or my dog mauled by a bear,or having my cats get rabies when I can handle the situation all on my own.
    Taint happening magee
    Now maybe in Canada,the bears act and react differently, I dont know,I dont live in Canada,but I do know that once you get a town bear in WV,youve got a serious problem on your hands,and youd best be prepared to deal with it.

  3. #33
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    7,899
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    0
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.
    But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
    Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
    I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
    One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies

  4. #34
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    3,276
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2582
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Im sure youve heard about the 8 year old who shot his dad and a boarder at their house.
    The prosecution,is trying to get the kid tried as an adult,saying he "meticulously plotted and planned the murder"
    My son is 8 years old
    He has a genius level IQ,he knows more about the human body then I do, and I train people for a living. Ive been all over this country,but Id hate to get in to a debate with him over whats on any map you care to mention.
    He cant "meticulously plot and plan" putting his new Hot Wheels track together without my help, let alone understand the ramifications of shooting someone.
    The kid shot the wrong people,he should have opened fire on the idiot prosecutor first and foremost.
    thats kind dumb. hes only 8 can he really plan murder?? well maybe he can. but the cant try him as an adult can they??

  5. #35
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    7,899
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    0
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by kingfrnk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Im sure youve heard about the 8 year old who shot his dad and a boarder at their house.
    The prosecution,is trying to get the kid tried as an adult,saying he "meticulously plotted and planned the murder"
    My son is 8 years old
    He has a genius level IQ,he knows more about the human body then I do, and I train people for a living. Ive been all over this country,but Id hate to get in to a debate with him over whats on any map you care to mention.
    He cant "meticulously plot and plan" putting his new Hot Wheels track together without my help, let alone understand the ramifications of shooting someone.
    The kid shot the wrong people,he should have opened fire on the idiot prosecutor first and foremost.
    thats kind dumb. hes only 8 can he really plan murder?? well maybe he can. but the cant try him as an adult can they??
    The prosecutor offered a plea deal where they sock him in to Juvie until he's 18 but leaves open the option of re-trying him the second he turns 18 on Murder 1

  6. #36
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    2,910
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2811
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.
    But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
    Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
    I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
    One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies
    I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

    I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.

  7. #37
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    3,276
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2582
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingfrnk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Im sure youve heard about the 8 year old who shot his dad and a boarder at their house.
    The prosecution,is trying to get the kid tried as an adult,saying he "meticulously plotted and planned the murder"
    My son is 8 years old
    He has a genius level IQ,he knows more about the human body then I do, and I train people for a living. Ive been all over this country,but Id hate to get in to a debate with him over whats on any map you care to mention.
    He cant "meticulously plot and plan" putting his new Hot Wheels track together without my help, let alone understand the ramifications of shooting someone.
    The kid shot the wrong people,he should have opened fire on the idiot prosecutor first and foremost.
    thats kind dumb. hes only 8 can he really plan murder?? well maybe he can. but the cant try him as an adult can they??
    The prosecutor offered a plea deal where they sock him in to Juvie until he's 18 but leaves open the option of re-trying him the second he turns 18 on Murder 1
    thats fuked up.

  8. #38
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    7,899
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    0
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    An eight year old may not appreciate all the ramifications of such an action, and I'm not sure about "meticulously plan", but I'd say an 8 year old who watches tv is entirely capable of being angry at his Dad, and is also entirely capable of understanding that one way to solve your Daddy problem is to shoot him. Maybe not all 8-year olds, but some nonetheless.
    But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
    Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
    I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
    One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies
    I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

    I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.
    I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
    I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.

  9. #39
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    8,786
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    3627
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    lol still though...not sure why this is a big debate about bears.

    I doubt very much our bears are special in any way, in that they are different from yours. City bears and country bears. One of them generally needs a ride to the woods when it gets pesky. We go in the house and call up the police and shortly the wildlife peeps are trapin' it and doing what they get paid for. As I say, it's real simple. See it all the time.

    How about we stick to the point of a kid shooting 2 people with a gun. Maybe what motivated it, and why he had such easy access to the gun. I think a read and look through domestic related violence with firearms, or even accidentally deaths by firearms might be more legit to talk about here.

    But yea...I like talkin' bears, they all fuzzy and cute...in a badass way.

  10. #40
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    2,910
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2811
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    But can you say the kid really understood the ramifications of what he was doing?
    Thats one of the key points that has to be proved for murder 1.
    I mean,Keannu Reeves gets shot all the time,and comes back stronger then ever.
    One of the reasons I dont let my kid watch violent movies
    I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

    I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.
    I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
    I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.
    Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

    I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.

  11. #41
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    7,899
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    0
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by Youngblood View Post
    lol still though...not sure why this is a big debate about bears.

    I doubt very much our bears are special in any way, in that they are different from yours. City bears and country bears. One of them generally needs a ride to the woods when it gets pesky. We go in the house and call up the police and shortly the wildlife peeps are trapin' it and doing what they get paid for. As I say, it's real simple. See it all the time.

    How about we stick to the point of a kid shooting 2 people with a gun. Maybe what motivated it, and why he had such easy access to the gun. I think a read and look through domestic related violence with firearms, or even accidentally deaths by firearms might be more legit to talk about here.

    But yea...I like talkin' bears, they all fuzzy and cute...in a badass way.
    I guess we're a little more rural then you,you call wildlife control,you aint seeing them for quite some time. By that I mean days.Or at all,theyre stretched a little thin.They still cant tag that town bear up near Athens.
    The original question was "Why even have a gun"
    And that was my response,pointing out that there are legitimate reasons to own a gun,and not every gun owner is dancing around the house pretending to be Dirty Harry.
    He didnt seem to get that.

  12. #42
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    7,899
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    0
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post

    I addressed that point directly in my post. But I'll repeat, no not all of the ramifications will be understood by the kid.

    I'll also add yes, the kid most likely understands that he can kill someone by shooting them, and when you kill someone they don't come back. The sort of ramifications he is maybe not likely to understand is stuff like the moral sanctity of life, and also the fact that in a civilised society you don't just go around shooting people you don't like.
    I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
    I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.
    Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

    I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.
    But even then,we get in to an area of parental responsibility. like or not, your child is your responsibility.
    If you handed me a newborn,I could turn it in to Hitler probably,am I any less culpable for the childs actions.
    I know if my kid burns down the neighbors house on purpose, I know whose pocketbook their coming for,and it isnt the kids

  13. #43
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    2,910
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2811
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    I'll admit,my kid is kind of sheltered,we dont even let him watch Ed,Ed,and Eddie or Chowder because we find it objectionable, but I just cant see him going and grabbing a gun in a pre-meditated murder,and understanding the ramifications of what he was about.
    I could see the kid,wanting to hurt his father,but I dont think the kid got that when you do that,they stay gone. Or even what death really means.
    Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

    I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.
    But even then,we get in to an area of parental responsibility. like or not, your child is your responsibility.
    If you handed me a newborn,I could turn it in to Hitler probably,am I any less culpable for the childs actions.
    I know if my kid burns down the neighbors house on purpose, I know whose pocketbook their coming for,and it isnt the kids
    OK, if we are talking about whether or not the kid is fully responsible, that's a little different. I would tend to agree with you about responsibility of parents, though it might not be criminal responsibility.

    Like you, I would probably be opposed to trying the kid as an adult. But at the very least, some sort of custodial arrangement, or extremely strict supervision, is required in this situation.

  14. #44
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    7,899
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    0
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post

    Well, you would know best about your own kid, Im not saying that all 8 year olds understand the concept of death, or even that they should understand those concepts. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible for an 8 year old to nderstand those concepts, it is not beyond their capabilities. It would depend on what they are taught, or on what they have been exposed to.

    I can't say it any better than that, perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.
    But even then,we get in to an area of parental responsibility. like or not, your child is your responsibility.
    If you handed me a newborn,I could turn it in to Hitler probably,am I any less culpable for the childs actions.
    I know if my kid burns down the neighbors house on purpose, I know whose pocketbook their coming for,and it isnt the kids
    OK, if we are talking about whether or not the kid is fully responsible, that's a little different. I would tend to agree with you about responsibility of parents, though it might not be criminal responsibility.

    Like you, I would probably be opposed to trying the kid as an adult. But at the very least, some sort of custodial arrangement, or extremely strict supervision, is required in this situation.
    Oh no,that Im fine with,just to figure out what made the kid act and react in such a manner,so he could be re-habbed in to a productive adult. But going for Murder 1 on an 8 year old is ridiculous

  15. #45
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA
    Posts
    7,832
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2129
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: People Are Idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    But even then,we get in to an area of parental responsibility. like or not, your child is your responsibility.
    If you handed me a newborn,I could turn it in to Hitler probably,am I any less culpable for the childs actions.
    I know if my kid burns down the neighbors house on purpose, I know whose pocketbook their coming for,and it isnt the kids
    OK, if we are talking about whether or not the kid is fully responsible, that's a little different. I would tend to agree with you about responsibility of parents, though it might not be criminal responsibility.

    Like you, I would probably be opposed to trying the kid as an adult. But at the very least, some sort of custodial arrangement, or extremely strict supervision, is required in this situation.
    Oh no,that Im fine with,just to figure out what made the kid act and react in such a manner,so he could be re-habbed in to a productive adult. But going for Murder 1 on an 8 year old is ridiculous
    this is a sad situation, just thinking about the kid having to be in juvy for 10 years til his 18. None of us know the kid but all we know is that he is a kid. speechless now....

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 09-18-2008, 03:18 AM
  2. Replies: 9
    Last Post: 06-07-2008, 12:45 PM
  3. Clinton Portis and Chris Samuels are idiots
    By El Kabong in forum Boxing Talk
    Replies: 44
    Last Post: 05-30-2007, 09:43 PM
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-22-2007, 11:13 PM
  5. fukcing hell there are some idiots about
    By Munkymagic in forum Off Topic
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 12-20-2006, 01:35 AM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  




Boxing | Boxing Photos | Boxing News | Boxing Forum | Boxing Rankings

Copyright © 2000 - 2025 Saddo Boxing - Boxing