Boxing and brain damage.

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The statistics dont support that.
Should the rules be tweeked
Yes they should
But it doesnt make boxing more inherently dangerous then any other sport. I also cave,which is seriously inherently dangerous compared to boxing

The stastics do support that. Boxing is INHERENTLY more dangerous than any other sport because when it is done PROPERLY, someone is injured. Like I said before, the PURPOSE of boxing is to hurt you opponent, and you can't say that about any other non-fight sport.

You also named 2 names, one being a football player and the other a pro wrestler. I'll tell you what, you name as many people brain damaged from EVERY other sport and I'll name everyone brain damaged from boxing, and we'll see who comes up with more names.

You say cycling is more dangerous because it has a larger quantity of injuries, but contrast that to how many people cycle and how many people box.

You mean a free safety isnt trying to injure his opponent?
It would come as a hell of a surprise to every single coach in the NFL. One of the first things they teach offensive lineman is to chop block,thats where you throw your weight right in to the other guys knees. In baseball when they teach you to pitch,they teach you to throw at a guy,you mean a hard spherical object thrown at someones head,isnt intent to injure?

Can I respond to this?

OK TM, here is an undeniable fact. Regardless of your feelings about the sport of boxing, striking your opponent in the head such that he suffers an injury (KO) is an integral part of the sport. IT is encouraged and desireable. It is allowed. We applaud it. Even when it doesn't end in KO, do it enough times and you get brain damage.

Deliberately throwing a baseball at someone's head is against the rules. It will get you tossed out of the game. Hell, a couple of pitches that even come close to a batter's head will get you tossed.

See the difference?

[Trainer Monkey]

The stastics do support that. Boxing is INHERENTLY more dangerous than any other sport because when it is done PROPERLY, someone is injured. Like I said before, the PURPOSE of boxing is to hurt you opponent, and you can't say that about any other non-fight sport.

You also named 2 names, one being a football player and the other a pro wrestler. I'll tell you what, you name as many people brain damaged from EVERY other sport and I'll name everyone brain damaged from boxing, and we'll see who comes up with more names.

You say cycling is more dangerous because it has a larger quantity of injuries, but contrast that to how many people cycle and how many people box.

You mean a free safety isnt trying to injure his opponent?
It would come as a hell of a surprise to every single coach in the NFL. One of the first things they teach offensive lineman is to chop block,thats where you throw your weight right in to the other guys knees. In baseball when they teach you to pitch,they teach you to throw at a guy,you mean a hard spherical object thrown at someones head,isnt intent to injure?

Can I respond to this?

OK TM, here is an undeniable fact. Regardless of your feelings about the sport of boxing, striking your opponent in the head such that he suffers an injury (KO) is an integral part of the sport. IT is encouraged and desireable. It is allowed. We applaud it. Even when it doesn't end in KO, do it enough times and you get brain damage.

Deliberately throwing a baseball at someone's head is against the rules. It will get you tossed out of the game. Hell, a couple of pitches that even come close to a batter's head will get you tossed.

See the difference?

But yet it happens in every game almost
And what happens to a wide reciever if he goes over the middle when a safety is sitting in Zone Coverage.
If you said practically having your head removed from your shoulders,you would be correct
The NHL has an entire class of players called thugs,that are only in the league to wallop people,they arent great skaters,they have minimal puck handeling ability,but they can level a guy

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http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Science-of-a-Knock-Out-Punch this shows the anatomy of a knockout. Quite interestin.

[Trainer Monkey]

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Science-of-a-Knock-Out-Punch this shows the anatomy of a knockout. Quite interestin.

Interesting,Ive allways taught that body drive was more important then huge biceps,well if thats correct,some scientific evidence to support that.
I never said BTW that you werent going to get your bell rung in boxing,what I did say was, most sports involve getting your bell rung
Or even worse
Ask Daryll Stingley to do a line dance for you,Christopher Reeves got crippled playing polo for the love of god,Chuck Bednarik hit Frank Gifford so hard they thought he'd killed him
Carl Mays killed a guy in baseball,Don Zimmer has a metal plate in his head from a bean ball

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You mean a free safety isnt trying to injure his opponent?
It would come as a hell of a surprise to every single coach in the NFL. One of the first things they teach offensive lineman is to chop block,thats where you throw your weight right in to the other guys knees. In baseball when they teach you to pitch,they teach you to throw at a guy,you mean a hard spherical object thrown at someones head,isnt intent to injure?

Can I respond to this?

OK TM, here is an undeniable fact. Regardless of your feelings about the sport of boxing, striking your opponent in the head such that he suffers an injury (KO) is an integral part of the sport. IT is encouraged and desireable. It is allowed. We applaud it. Even when it doesn't end in KO, do it enough times and you get brain damage.

Deliberately throwing a baseball at someone's head is against the rules. It will get you tossed out of the game. Hell, a couple of pitches that even come close to a batter's head will get you tossed.

See the difference?

But yet it happens in every game almost
And what happens to a wide reciever if he goes over the middle when a safety is sitting in Zone Coverage.
If you said practically having your head removed from your shoulders,you would be correct
The NHL has an entire class of players called thugs,that are only in the league to wallop people,they arent great skaters,they have minimal puck handeling ability,but they can level a guy

Actually no, you do not get baseballs deliberately thrown at someone's head almost every game. You are just making statements out of thin air. And baseball players wear hard hat's with webbing on the inside. The issue I am making is one of intent and the rules of the game. You can have great baseball without blows to the head and body. Last time I checked, you cannot have great pro boxing without those things. You can't argue against that point.

Boxing and other martial arts is unique in that repeated blows to the head is a natural and desireable part of the game. It's how you win or lose. It is allowed and encouraged by the rules. Repeated blows to the head is not allowed and encouraged by the rules in either baseball or football. This is FACT. You can't argue this point.

Focus on this issue TM. I'm talking about what is and is not allowed and encouraged by the rules.

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OK TM, here is an undeniable fact. Regardless of your feelings about the sport of boxing, striking your opponent in the head such that he suffers an injury (KO) is an integral part of the sport. IT is encouraged and desireable. It is allowed. We applaud it. Even when it doesn't end in KO, do it enough times and you get brain damage.


Very true

[Trainer Monkey]

Can I respond to this?

OK TM, here is an undeniable fact. Regardless of your feelings about the sport of boxing, striking your opponent in the head such that he suffers an injury (KO) is an integral part of the sport. IT is encouraged and desireable. It is allowed. We applaud it. Even when it doesn't end in KO, do it enough times and you get brain damage.

Deliberately throwing a baseball at someone's head is against the rules. It will get you tossed out of the game. Hell, a couple of pitches that even come close to a batter's head will get you tossed.

See the difference?

But yet it happens in every game almost
And what happens to a wide reciever if he goes over the middle when a safety is sitting in Zone Coverage.
If you said practically having your head removed from your shoulders,you would be correct
The NHL has an entire class of players called thugs,that are only in the league to wallop people,they arent great skaters,they have minimal puck handeling ability,but they can level a guy

Actually no, you do not get baseballs deliberately thrown at someone's head almost every game. You are just making statements out of thin air. And baseball players wear hard hat's with webbing on the inside. The issue I am making is one of intent and the rules of the game. You can have great baseball without blows to the head and body. Last time I checked, you cannot have great pro boxing without those things. You can't argue against that point.

Boxing and other martial arts is unique in that repeated blows to the head is a natural and desireable part of the game. It's how you win or lose. It is allowed and encouraged by the rules. Repeated blows to the head is not allowed and encouraged by the rules in either baseball or football. This is FACT. You can't argue this point.

Focus on this issue TM. I'm talking about what is and is not allowed and encouraged by the rules.

I noticed you avoided the football part,where hitting people is intregal to the game. One of the greatest Hockey songs of all time is "Hit Somebody",sounds very passive

[holmcall]

Is there any other sport where the sanctioned and specific intention is to concuss the opponent? (sure, Thai boxing, MMA, Etc), but they are all derivatives of boxing.

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But yet it happens in every game almost
And what happens to a wide reciever if he goes over the middle when a safety is sitting in Zone Coverage.
If you said practically having your head removed from your shoulders,you would be correct
The NHL has an entire class of players called thugs,that are only in the league to wallop people,they arent great skaters,they have minimal puck handeling ability,but they can level a guy

Actually no, you do not get baseballs deliberately thrown at someone's head almost every game. You are just making statements out of thin air. And baseball players wear hard hat's with webbing on the inside. The issue I am making is one of intent and the rules of the game. You can have great baseball without blows to the head and body. Last time I checked, you cannot have great pro boxing without those things. You can't argue against that point.

Boxing and other martial arts is unique in that repeated blows to the head is a natural and desireable part of the game. It's how you win or lose. It is allowed and encouraged by the rules. Repeated blows to the head is not allowed and encouraged by the rules in either baseball or football. This is FACT. You can't argue this point.

Focus on this issue TM. I'm talking about what is and is not allowed and encouraged by the rules.

I noticed you avoided the football part,where hitting people is intregal to the game. One of the greatest Hockey songs of all time is "Hit Somebody",sounds very passive

No dude, I did not ignore football. I specifically mentioned for both baseball and football is that striking your opponent in the head is not allowed and encouraged by the rules. Same thing goes for hockey. This is FACT. Are you reading all of my posts?

OK, let's talk football. Again. I agree that headshots do happen. I do not agreee that a head blow is a natural and desireable part of the game, nor do I agree that the majority of players try to knock their opponent off their feet by deliver a shoulder block directly to the head, on purpose. Same for hockey. It happens, but it is not a normal and desireable part of the game.

[Trainer Monkey]

Actually no, you do not get baseballs deliberately thrown at someone's head almost every game. You are just making statements out of thin air. And baseball players wear hard hat's with webbing on the inside. The issue I am making is one of intent and the rules of the game. You can have great baseball without blows to the head and body. Last time I checked, you cannot have great pro boxing without those things. You can't argue against that point.

Boxing and other martial arts is unique in that repeated blows to the head is a natural and desireable part of the game. It's how you win or lose. It is allowed and encouraged by the rules. Repeated blows to the head is not allowed and encouraged by the rules in either baseball or football. This is FACT. You can't argue this point.

Focus on this issue TM. I'm talking about what is and is not allowed and encouraged by the rules.

I noticed you avoided the football part,where hitting people is intregal to the game. One of the greatest Hockey songs of all time is "Hit Somebody",sounds very passive

No dude, I did not ignore football. I specifically mentioned for both baseball and football is that striking your opponent in the head is not allowed and encouraged by the rules. Same thing goes for hockey. This is FACT. Are you reading all of my posts?

OK, let's talk football. Again. I agree that headshots do happen. I do not agreee that a head blow is a natural and desireable part of the game, nor do I agree that the majority of players try to knock their opponent off their feet by deliver a shoulder block directly to the head, on purpose. Same for hockey. It happens, but it is not a normal and desireable part of the game.

Trent Green almost had his career ended by what?
Repetitive Concussion Syndrome
Troy Aikman,Steve Young,Andre Watters,its part of the game.
The first thing they teach you if you play defense is to lay a hit on a guy.. The best sack I ever layed on a guy playing defensive end,I thought I killed the kid,I leveled him so bad I had to push off of him just to get up. And then I turned around and formed up in the huddle.
You may not like it,but most sports that we actually watch are blood sports,if you dont like that,watch golf

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I noticed you avoided the football part,where hitting people is intregal to the game. One of the greatest Hockey songs of all time is "Hit Somebody",sounds very passive

No dude, I did not ignore football. I specifically mentioned for both baseball and football is that striking your opponent in the head is not allowed and encouraged by the rules. Same thing goes for hockey. This is FACT. Are you reading all of my posts?

OK, let's talk football. Again. I agree that headshots do happen. I do not agreee that a head blow is a natural and desireable part of the game, nor do I agree that the majority of players try to knock their opponent off their feet by deliver a shoulder block directly to the head, on purpose. Same for hockey. It happens, but it is not a normal and desireable part of the game.

Trent Green almost had his career ended by what?
Repetitive Concussion Syndrome
Troy Aikman,Steve Young,Andre Watters,its part of the game.
The first thing they teach you if you play defense is to lay a hit on a guy.. The best sack I ever layed on a guy playing defensive end,I thought I killed the kid,I leveled him so bad I had to push off of him just to get up. And then I turned around and formed up in the huddle.
You may not like it,but most sports that we actually watch are blood sports,if you dont like that,watch golf

Sigh. This thread is about boxing and the brain. And to a larger extent brain injury in sport. I have tried to point out that boxing and some martial arts is a little bit different than other sports, in that intentional blows to the head (which is where the brain is) are an integral, natural, and desireable part of the sport. It is the very definition of the sport. It's how you win. I find it oddly compelling to watch someone who calls himself a boxing professional (you) refusing to acknowledge this difference. I don't get it.

edit: I am also a fan of the sport of boxing. Let's be clear on that point. Golf is good too. The pinpoint accuracy to which golfers can send a small object over long distances impresses me.